My time in a NYC jail.

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I am becoming more and more concerned about the lack of freedoms in my country. The income tax, drug laws, and gun laws are becoming increasingly offensive to me, and I am not sure why.
Drugs:
I don’t do any drugs, so the constant violation of civil liberties with the excuse of saving us from our own harmful decisions, is a removed outrage, usually with that one.
Taxes:
I don’t pay taxes, so that one is also usually more theoretical. Again, I am outraged that my fellow Americans are victims of that injustice and basic violation of their civil liberties.
Guns:
And I live in a relatively free state in regards to gun rights, so the violations of a basic human right that New Yorkers and Californians are subject to is also usually an empathetic, but not personal outrage.

With all three of those issues my fellow Americans deal with their constitutional rights violated year in and year out.

Recently it became more real to me, despite my best efforts to obey the law, I spent two days and a night in a New York City jail. An uncomfortable and awakening experience. I became closer to the unconstitutional violations that take place every day in my country. And I now wonder how much free-er we are than Middle Eastern countries I have visited, and if the freedom gap between my country and those Arab countries is diminishing. The freedom gap between us and Europe certainly is diminishing.

OK, this thought is a long thought, so I will break it down to subjects of interest.

- My letter to the NRA
- My night a New York Jail cell
- My arresting officers
- NYPD is a corrupt and incompetent organization.

- Letter to the NRA
Here is my letter to the greatest organization defending, or attempting to recover our American freedoms. (If anyone can think of an organization that better fits that description, please pipe up. And don’t bother with the ACLU, because it is not them).

Dear Sirs:
I am trying to contact the NRA legal team.

I have a legal question, and I might need legal defense in an 2nd Amendment issue in New York.

I am a Nevada resident, I traveled to Atlanta, GA for a school, (I am a US Government contractor), and I finished earlier than expected. I approached the airline (United) for the quickest way back to my home in Reno, Nevada. All flights were booked; the quickest way for me to get back was to spend a couple of days in NY. I have a brother in New York, so that seemed like fair deal.

I was traveling with a firearm (proficiency with a firearm is part of my job.) It was only going to be a couple of days, so I was ok with my carry on luggage, so I asked United if they could ship my luggage straight home, if I could stay in NY without it. The answer was "No".

So I went with what was safe in CA. I had the gun in a locked box, unloaded and out of reach. I took a taxi to my brother’s house instead of the train, so it would be in the trunk out of reach. When I returned to the airport, I followed TSA regulations, and I declared the gun at the airline desk to be inspected, but there, the lady called a local police officer, and I was arrested.

I spent two days in a NY jail, a very uncomfortable experience compounded by the fact that I was weary of what would happen to me and to my record, and to my life afterwards. I am a US Government contractor and I cannot have a criminal conviction in my record. I served as a US Marine for 11 years, and I am in the process of trying to join once again. A gun charge may disqualify me from being able to serve my country again.

I met the public defender, and he said that the case will likely be dismissed. Still I am very concerned, everyone I have spoken to tells me not to trust the public defender.

I feel like the case will likely be dismissed. But my future is in the balance here.

If the case does not go well, can I count on the assistance of the NRA?

- My arresting officers:
The cops that arrested me were very apologetic. They said they were sorry, that if I had gone out of La Guardia instead of out of Kennedy, that I would have been smooth sailing. They said that they could not let me go now that my name was in the system. They said that they had also arrested Col. David Hackworth, and felt bad about that one too. There was also nothing they could do about that.
I have since talked to a lawyer, the lawyer had as a client before the former commander of Marine 1, a man that Ronald Reagan saluted. He was charged with the same thing as me.

The Police in the arresting department came in one at a time and said that I had done nothing wrong, and that they appreciated my time in the service. That I was declaring the gun, just like I had done in every other airport.

The cops said that I would go before a judge, and that the judge would most likely dismiss the charges. But I was wary, I have seen judges before take if very easy on repeat offender criminals and throw the book at generally law abiding citizens. (traffic court). I am wary, because I know the criminal justice system fails. I have first hand evidence of that. My friend Brian Straub is in jail wrongfully convicted:
www.helpbrianstraub.com/

Everyone from the cops to the public defender were constantly claiming that the charges were nothing, and that they would be dismissed. And I wondered to them why I had even been arrested.

So, I had to spend two days in a cage. Sleeping on a cement floor, and generally not eating because I didn’t want to have to take a crap in the prison toilets. And also because the food was crap. But I am kind of used to crappy food.

There were so many characters in there, and so many people that had no business being in jail in the first place.
Some didn’t belong there because what they did, though illegal, is not wrong.
Some didn’t belong there because though they were breaking the law, the cops didn’t really “catch them” they just arrested them on made up charges because they “knew”
And some didn’t belong there because they actually hadn’t broken any laws, they hadn’t broken any right laws nor any wrong laws.

- The NYPD is a corrupt and incompetent organization:
My guess, about two thirds of the people in the jail (there were lots and lots of them crowded in the rooms) did not belong in jail.

Here is a partial list of characters:

Head injury guy:
One man with head injuries, he had ran from the cops, and one of the cops chasing him slipped and fell on the ice, other cops caught him and handcuffed him. When the cop that fell caught up with the handcuffed and subdued non violent offender, the cop beat him on the head with his nightstick. The man successfully ditched the drugs he was carrying in his get away (the reason he ran was to be able to ditch the drugs). He was charged with trespassing.

Still had the drugs on him guy:
This guy when he was caught smoking some weed, had some crack cocaine on him, and when he spots the cops. He puts the blunt out, and makes like he is tossing it, but stashes it in his mouth, with the crack on one side and the cocaine on the other side. The cops search for the blunt that he pretended to throw. He told them they wouldn’t find it, but they searched anyways. He was just outside his sister’s building, (on his way to visit her, and maybe sell her some dope) and they arrested him for trespassing.
Well there were about 7 or 8 'Still had the drugs on him' guys. This dude thought he was caught though, so he was hinting to the police that he had his drugs still on him. He kept saying to them "you are not going to find the blunt over there boss", "white snow, brown blunt, you would have found it by now"

3 scared kids:
There were three scarred kids sitting together in the corner, with wide scared eyes. They looked so small and young. I asked them how old they were and what they were there for, and they said “drug possession” one of the regulars of that jail asked them if the cops had found drugs on all of them. They said that no, that it was in the car, and that it was their dad’s vitamins. At first I dismissed this as ridiculous, but then not so much. So jail regular, asked them which of them was going to take the fall. If one of them admits that it was his, then the other two walk out scot free. If no one does, they all get charged. I asked them what this b.s. story about vitamins was. They said that it was their dad’s car, and that the dad had a bottle with a mixed bunch of vitamins in it. So, I asked what the cops thought it was. They said the cops didn’t know. I was amazed that the cops would arrest someone without knowing what the drugs were.

The other white guy:
This was a big guy that looked like he had been in a few fights, he was in his mid 40’s, he got caught in his car smoking a joint. His neighbor ratted him out. I guess the neighbor fancies the guys wife. The guy had a record 22 years ago, he used to get charged with assault. The last time he got caught, the judge told him “the next time I get you, you are going away for a long time”. And he believed the judge and has kept his nose clean for 22 years. He has a good job now, but smokes a joint once in a while to calm down. Let the man enjoy his fucking joint!

The shady looking Arab guy:
This guy had the Palestinian scarf thing, and he kind of resembled some of the unsavory characters I have come across in the Middle East. I got to talking to him, I was hoping to get to practice my Arabic AND find out if I could be a hero for catching a terrorist while I was in prison. Turns out he was Pakistani, and that his crime was to compete with the yellow cap company. He gave cheaper rides, and made a bundle and the Yellow cap company didn’t like it. My guess is that they pay someone so they have exclusive rights to the airport. “Capitalism is not a crime”

There were a whole host of drug dealers who were arrested, and the cops didn’t find any dope on them, but they were arrested anyways and charged with trespassing. I guess, they live in government housing or something, and the government can charge them with trespassing at will for just being in their neighborhood.

My guess, 2/3rds of everybody in that jail were there because the cops suspected them of drugs. NO ONE was actually caught with drugs except the one white guy caught in his car smoking a joint. They were all booked with made up charges. Drugs were freely available in jail.

So, my brother who lives in Manhattan, and is a liberal, recognizes that NYC is a fascist state, but says that is necessary for the people to feel safe. He says they elect liberal Senators and Governors, and liberals for president, but that then they elect “tough on crime” Republicans for mayor. They believe that these police tactics make them safe. That NYC is safe now, and it is because of Guliani, and some of the wide spread ignoring of civil liberties. “Government that governs least is government that governs best” is not on their radar screen I guess.

Lots of places in this planet are safe as long as you don’t get on the governments wrong side.

Another thought: Why is something that is considered a constitutional right in the rest of the states forbidden in New York? Why is something that is a basic human right in the rest of the nation, not a human right in New York?

But yes, lastly, I am an idiot. I have known this for a while, nothing can drive this depressing fact home like sitting in jail a place where people who are smart do not sit in jail.

I am seriously bitter about this. This is not the way things are supposed to work in a free country. The police are supposed to be my ally not my enemy. I am a law abiding citizen.

Final note: My props to the public defender he did a good job, I think the best that a lawyer could have done in that situation. I got out of there without a criminal record.

Edited to protect me..

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So I am fixin' to post this on my facebook. But I figured I'd run it before you guys. The "murder board" so to speak.

It was TAO that convinced me I was out of line with the letter I sent to the postal clerk, and I sent him an apology. So I figure if I write something in the heat of the moment, I can run it by y'all before I go public.

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kwais, that is so awful. I'm glad you're out.

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Wow, kwais.

I don't have any comments other than damn. And sorry to hear that you got put in the slammer.

Also you might want to consider removing that comment about extracting your revenge in blood on state authorities. You know. Just to avoid further unnecessary detention. Only because I'm not really sure if that would be considered some kind of punishable threat.

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Holy crap, Kwais! That's just an amazing story. I'm really sorry to hear that's how your travels ended :-)
Of all the people this could happen to...but don't think that you're stupid, because it's the arbitrariness of enforcement (in this case maybe law, too?) that got you. That and bad luck.

Glad you're out and safe. And you should definitely blog this. Tell your story to anyone who'll listen.

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I'm glad you're out, kwais. And I'm sorry they got you in the first place.

So many of our solutions are targeted at placating middle class white suburbanites who have little in the way of fear of ever being arrested. ...maybe as the circle gets wider and more and more people feel threatened by the police, that'll change. Not that there's an upside to the expanding powers of the police--there isn't.

I knew freedom requires eternal vigilance, but when the freedom we've all taken for granted goes out the window, I guess it just turns into a struggle against injustice.

Those bastards.

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Glad to hear you are out. This is just outrageous.

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This is appalling. I'm glad you're out, though, kwais. I do think the fact that you had the gun because you're working with the U.S. military will help you, though -- in anybody's eyes, you had a rock-solid reason for having it. Not even the Brady folks would argue in public that people working with the military shouldn't have guns. It seems you were caught up in somebody else's bad judgment and rules that were not written to foresee the reasonable.

I'd probably delete the last seven words though, in case someone seizes upon it as an excuse to go dickwad on you.

EDIT: Oh hey -- hi, linguist!

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Oh, my God, Kwais. That is an appalling story. I hope you can make it more widely known, outside our little circle there. But I agree with Smacky about editing it so that there's nothing that could be considered remotely threatening by a paranoid and vindictive government.

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Sorry to hear of your troubles. That comes close to worst nightmare material. Ditto smacky about threatening to extract revenge in blood. Also, I would wait to insult the NYPD, at least until the case is officially dismissed. Wouldn't want anyone from NYPD to accidentally come across your rant, and suddenly "remember" something incriminating you said or did. From their point of view, they likely think they were nice to you, and might resent your tone towards them.

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weary = tired
wary = cautious

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Also, I would wait to insult the NYPD, at least until the case is officially dismissed. Wouldn't want anyone from NYPD to accidentally come across your rant, and suddenly "remember" something incriminating you said or did. From their point of view, they likely think they were nice to you, and might resent your tone towards them.

Yeah, you really have to fellate authorities (I mean, not literally!) if you want them to leave you alone. I agree with dead_elvis. You ought to start by playing nice. And I do mean playing as in "pretending", because of course this is all totally outrageous and wrong. But that doesn't matter to them, of course.

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My guess is that they pay someone so they have exclusive rights to the airport. “Capitalism is not a crime”

LOL Tip of the iceberg my friend. Wait till you get the whole story on NYC "medallions". I just hope you aren't armed when that happens.

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Aw, geeze. I'm sorry to hear that, kwais.

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Man, sucks. Sorry to hear it kwais.

So, have you been charged? I mean you're out, so that means you went in front of a judge, right?

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Wow. I'm really sorry to hear you are going through this nightmare.

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I met the public defender, and he said that the case will likely be dismissed. Still I am very concerned, everyone I have spoken to tells me not to trust the public defender.

Do not trust the public defender, not that he is out to get you, per se, but they are overloaded with work and therefore, their work sucks. From my personal experience I can tell you do not trust the public defender. If you can afford it, get your own lawyer.
I can sympathize with you.
Good luck! I wish you the best.

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what total shit, man. i wish i knew someone in the da's office i could call.

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You're lawyered up now though?

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sorry to hear that kwais!

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Damn, kwais. That sucks, and best of luck with getting out of everything clean. What I really don't get is the authorities' response - the lady called the cops because you were trying to check a gun in accordance with their procedure? And why on earth would LGA be OK but not JFK?

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Update, I went before the judge today, and I got it negotiated down to a disorderly conduct, which according to the judge is not a crime.

Not sure how that works.

the lawyer said I could have gotten it totally dismissed, but that would require me to spend a few more weeks in NY. I am in the airport in SF as I write this, on my way back to Reno.

I do want to fight it some more, but I want to chose the terms a little more.

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the innominate one wrote:
weary = tired
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Did you guys go to school or something?

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God I don't want to confuse matters and maybe it's just as well to leave it alone, but the curiosity's killin' me...

He said it wasn't a crime--that means it's an infraction, right? Like a speeding ticket?

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Wow. I'm really sorry to hear you are going through this nightmare.

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I met the public defender, and he said that the case will likely be dismissed. Still I am very concerned, everyone I have spoken to tells me not to trust the public defender.

Do not trust the public defender, not that he is out to get you, per se, but they are overloaded with work and therefore, their work sucks. From my personal experience I can tell you do not trust the public defender. If you can afford it, get your own lawyer.
I can sympathize with you.
Good luck! I wish you the best.

The guys in the jail cell said that that the prosecutor and the public defender get together and hook eachother up. Sort of "you take those, I'll take those" and "i need a quota of that".

I went back to United to get my carry on, after i got out of jail, and I was angry and resentful going there, but there was this black lady there that was super cool, and she put me in a good mood. She said, I remember you, "I don't know why the hell those cops arrested you, we didn't tell them to. you were following regulation". So I got to talking to her, and she said not to trust the public defender, that they were as crooked as the cops.

But the lawyer did get it down to a non crime, he said he could have probably gotten it dismissed altogether. The private lawyers that I talked to all said that was optimistic.

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Ken Shultz wrote:
God I don't want to confuse matters and maybe it's just as well to leave it alone, but the curiosity's killin' me...

He said it wasn't a crime--that means it's an infraction, right? Like a speeding ticket?

The judge was a 'she' but yeah, I think that is what she was meaning.

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That really sucks, kwais. Good luck getting through this.

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Smacky, I removed the revenge part from what I posted on facebook.

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kwais, good for you. remove it here too. and remove the remove comment at 00:42. then i will remove the remove the remove comment, too. Ha!

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Wait...I don't understand

Step 1 - Declare secure, unloaded, inaccessible gun in accordance with FAA regulations.
Step 2 ....
Step 3 - ARRESTED

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Thanks for ruining my day kwais. ;-)

I was relieved to read that no criminal record got attached to your name. The outrage (to me anyway) is that any of us can get arrested and locked up at any time. Good intentions, not harming others, and attempting to obey the myriad of statutes passed by authorities every-goddam-where are no guarantee that our freedom won't be taken from us by incompetent, vengeful or petty authorities.

Expect to be pulled aside for screening every time you fly from now until hell freezes over.

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Personally, Kwais, I would wait until the whole thing was totally resolved before posting anything anywhere. I'd remove this thread, or at least move it to the Google Sanctuary, remove the posting from Facebook, and wait until the final judge's decision is made before I posted anything else.

I am not a lawyer, though.

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Wow. I'm really sorry to hear you are going through this nightmare.

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I met the public defender, and he said that the case will likely be dismissed. Still I am very concerned, everyone I have spoken to tells me not to trust the public defender.

Do not trust the public defender, not that he is out to get you, per se, but they are overloaded with work and therefore, their work sucks. From my personal experience I can tell you do not trust the public defender. If you can afford it, get your own lawyer.
I can sympathize with you.
Good luck! I wish you the best.

The guys in the jail cell said that that the prosecutor and the public defender get together and hook eachother up. Sort of "you take those, I'll take those" and "i need a quota of that".

I went back to United to get my carry on, after i got out of jail, and I was angry and resentful going there, but there was this black lady there that was super cool, and she put me in a good mood. She said, I remember you, "I don't know why the hell those cops arrested you, we didn't tell them to. you were following regulation". So I got to talking to her, and she said not to trust the public defender, that they were as crooked as the cops.

But the lawyer did get it down to a non crime, he said he could have probably gotten it dismissed altogether. The private lawyers that I talked to all said that was optimistic.

I'm glad to hear you got it reduced to a non-crime. The whole situation still bothers me so much. You should have never been arrested int he first place...
Could it have something to do with a "zero tolerance" policy at the airport regarding guns? It is just so ridiculous!

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Wait...I don't understand

Step 1 - Declare secure, unloaded, inaccessible gun in accordance with FAA regulations.
Step 2 ....
Step 3 - ARRESTED

You missed Step 0, which is "carrying" said gun within NYC limits, even secured in a case, which I assume was in violation of Bloomberg's inane "Zero Tolerance" law for non-permit holders(eveybody besides ex-cops and a few "important" people). Of course, in any fair system, accidental violations(even of a stupid law like this one) would immediately dismissed as non-crimes. We don't live in that system, so if a person is arrested, they have to be charged with something. Kwais is lucky that they're not trying to send him to prison for the 3.5 year minimum.

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Could it have something to do with a "zero tolerance" policy at the airport regarding guns? It is just so ridiculous!

There has to be a way to travel with your gun.

And when they told him that if he'd flown out of a different airport it wouldn't have been a problem, I think that's pretty self-incriminating for them to say that.

You're right, it's ridiculous. To think the TSA busts people who fight in Afghanistan and Iraq for bringing their weapons home. ...needless to say, that's not what the TSA was supposed to be for.

Talk about mission creep.

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There has to be a way to travel with your gun.

My guess is that the technicality that they're trying to fuck him with is that he left the airport and came back with the gun, thereby possessing it illegally in NYC. I wonder what anyone traveling with a gun who has their flight stranded in NYC is supposed to do?

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I sent your story on to some people I know who are more on top of these sorts of issues than I am. That is some complete bullshit to be sure.

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There has to be a way to travel with your gun.

My guess is that the technicality that they're trying to fuck him with is that he left the airport and came back with the gun, thereby possessing it illegally in NYC. I wonder what anyone traveling with a gun who has their flight stranded in NYC is supposed to do?

I think you are right, if I had told the police officer that I had stayed in the airport for two days, I would have been better off.

BTW, it wasn't the TSA, it was the NY Port Authority that did the arresting.

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Personally, Kwais, I would wait until the whole thing was totally resolved before posting anything anywhere. I'd remove this thread, or at least move it to the Google Sanctuary, remove the posting from Facebook, and wait until the final judge's decision is made before I posted anything else.

I am not a lawyer, though.

Well, I like to think that because I don't post under my real name in this forum, that I can write what I really feel.

But as to the facebook posting, I am back in Reno now. The case is resolved as far as their prosecutor is concerned, a verdict has been handed out.

My intention now is to see if I can sue somebody. I am going to try to sue to get my luggage back again, and I am going to try to sue to change the law if I can. I would like to sue the port authorities for something violating my constitutional rights or something.

I would like to make a landmark case.

However, I may not be doing any of that, I am not a lawyer, and I don't know that all of that will be too costly, and just get thrown out.

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My guess is that the technicality that they're trying to fuck him with is that he left the airport and came back with the gun, thereby possessing it illegally in NYC. I wonder what anyone traveling with a gun who has their flight stranded in NYC is supposed to do?

Suffer. Or just FOAD. Who knows? The authorities do not care if you're put in a double-bind. Don't you know they're just following the rules that we all have to?

kwais - I know what you mean about wanting to make a case, make a splash. But remember that you are fighting people with, essentially, all the time and money in the world to devote to fighting you. That's their job. Most people don't want to make fighting City Hall their job, which gives City Hall a big advantage.

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Have you sent your narrative to Balko?

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Have you sent your narrative to Balko?

No I haven't. I'll include him in the facebook write up. You think that'll do it? You think he has time to read someone's facebook note?

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Personally, Kwais, I would wait until the whole thing was totally resolved before posting anything anywhere. I'd remove this thread, or at least move it to the Google Sanctuary, remove the posting from Facebook, and wait until the final judge's decision is made before I posted anything else.

I am not a lawyer, though.

Well, I like to think that because I don't post under my real name in this forum, that I can write what I really feel.

But as to the facebook posting, I am back in Reno now. The case is resolved as far as their prosecutor is concerned, a verdict has been handed out.

My intention now is to see if I can sue somebody. I am going to try to sue to get my luggage back again, and I am going to try to sue to change the law if I can. I would like to sue the port authorities for something violating my constitutional rights or something.

I would like to make a landmark case.

However, I may not be doing any of that, I am not a lawyer, and I don't know that all of that will be too costly, and just get thrown out.

Well, check with the NRA again and the Second Amendment Foundation. The SAF in particular really specializes in legal defense type issues relating to gun stuffs. They've been suing up a storm the last few years.

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Is the SAF the group behind Heller? If so, then you definitely want to talk to them. Did you plead not guilty?

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Is the SAF the group behind Heller? If so, then you definitely want to talk to them. Did you plead not guilty?

I assume that to get out of there, kwais probably had to plead "guilty" to something. If he hadn't, they'd been charging him with as many things as possible. IANAL, but I think that guilty plea pretty much ends any possible suit that he may want to bring.

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actually, the group behind Heller was Cato. One of the progenitors of the case was Tom Palmer, who blogs and travels pretty regularly. He might be able to give you some advice.

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tymac wrote:
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Is the SAF the group behind Heller? If so, then you definitely want to talk to them. Did you plead not guilty?

I assume that to get out of there, kwais probably had to plead "guilty" to something. If he hadn't, they'd been charging him with as many things as possible. IANAL, but I think that guilty plea pretty much ends any possible suit that he may want to bring.

Well I still need to sue to get my gun back and to get my suitcase back.

Also couldn't I sue for having been wrongly imprisoned? And that my gun was taken in the first place.

I have to talk to some lawyers, but surely something can be done.

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Is the SAF the group behind Heller? If so, then you definitely want to talk to them. Did you plead not guilty?

I assume that to get out of there, kwais probably had to plead "guilty" to something. If he hadn't, they'd been charging him with as many things as possible. IANAL, but I think that guilty plea pretty much ends any possible suit that he may want to bring.

Well I still need to sue to get my gun back and to get my suitcase back.

Also couldn't I sue for having been wrongly imprisoned? And that my gun was taken in the first place.

I have to talk to some lawyers, but surely something can be done.

Like I said, I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding is that by pleading guilty, you're essentially admitting that the arrest was legitimate.

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Maybe he plead "no contest"?

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I don't know. I know that the nolo contendre plea "doesn't count" as an admission of guilt if the person is the defendant in a civil suit, but I have no idea what it would mean for a person's ability to be the plaintiff.

I don't want to go into specifics, but my father took a plea deal that his attorney said eliminated his chances of suing the city, FWIW. On the other hand, his attorney was a hack who had too many interests downtown for my liking, so that may have played into his advice.

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It's so fucked up that he should even have to think about this stuff.