This is kind of cool and kind of creepy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1042702/Time-Warp-Wives-Meet-women-really-live-past.html
On the one hand, I love the retro look, and I think if somebody wants to take the best of another time and apply it to their life, that's all for the best. But I get the feeling these women are doing it as some kind of psychological reaction to at least some degree.
"I admit I am in retreat from the 21st century. When I look at the reality of the world today, with all the violence, greed and materialism, I shudder. I don't want to live in that world." (So you chose the 1950s? Because there was no materialism or violence back then?! -- ed.)
"My despair at the modern world is one of the reasons why we haven't had children. I would be terrified they would be offered drugs, or become the victims of violence."
"We aren't friendly with anyone who doesn't share our love of the Forties."
"Men and women knew their roles in society and there wasn't all this pressure on women to have to go out to work and try to be equal to men."


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I'm always a bit disturbed by folks who have a hobby or a theme party concept and warp their whole lives around it. I mean, that's a lot of work. What do you talk about with that person?
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I love this retro look. I wouldn't hesitate to design my home with a 56s, 60s, 70s (especially the 60s) theme. I would do it only because I like it as opposed to not wanting to live in the 21st century.
"Discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes" -Marcel Proust
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Is she on the pill then? If so, she is cheating. Anyway, all women were supposed to have 2.5 children back then. From what my mom told me, having more was considered Catholic and was therefore unacceptable, but not having children was even more frowned on.
Also, I notice that the first lady says that they don't drink, but then she has a picture of her surrounded by the liquor swilling accouterments of the era. You couldn't be an adult in that age without having three-martini lunches. Anything else would have been Unamerican.
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I'm also a fan of the aesthetic of the 30s and 40s, especially as it relates to mens' clothes. (Hats! Have I even mentioned here that I think men should wear fedoras and similar hats? I have? Repeatedly? Ok, still...hats) I also love Art Deco design. Some of the cars from the time are cool in their own way, although I appreciate the aesthetic of European cars from the late 60s and early 70s more.
But making one's entire life an anachronism is a bit silly.
"Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind... I am ashamed to think how easily we capitulate to badges and names, to large societies and dead institutions.."-Emerson
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Well, they are Brits but the 30s-50s Brits liked the booze just as much as your typical non-Southern Baptist Yank, so your point is still quite valid. :)
Yeah, the modern world sucks for a Brit! No Great Depression with 25+% unemployment. No Germans pounding you with rockets or Japanese killing your soldiers out in the Pacific. Far lower chance of getting nuked back to the Stone Age in some sort of NATO versus Warsaw Pact war.
Simply terrible!
"ps not an lp member so stop beating that drum. the drum is tired and wants to go home now, to the family that loves it. i haven’t even mentioned PRECIOUS PRECIOUS GOLD or ferrets or anything." - dhex
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I'm all about certain kinds of retro styling, as in modern styling that contains retro elements. I'm not so much a fan of trying to plop a kitchen from 1962 into your house in 2008. It's aesthetically disjointed from its surroundings in a way that jars.
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Yes, but holding all the peoples of the world accountable for their inability to be properly American was also common back then.
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Back then?
I love kitchens from the 50s except for the lack of microwaves. The kitchen stove used to be a work of art.
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said everyone attack
and it turned into a ballroom blitz♫
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Wasn't aware that equality was something that one was supposed to have to battle for in a marriage. Sometimes I read people's complaints about relationships and all I can think is "if you're reacting against modern marriage because you think that's what it's supposed to be then you were doing relationships wrong long before you decided that they were crap."
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The "roles" thing kind of reminds me of B&D a bit.
English people are all kinky. I guess it's the weather.
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You need something to do on those cloudy and/or foggy days.
"ps not an lp member so stop beating that drum. the drum is tired and wants to go home now, to the family that loves it. i haven’t even mentioned PRECIOUS PRECIOUS GOLD or ferrets or anything." - dhex
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I'm very much reminded of those rare BDSM folks who structure their lives and household activity around their dominant/submissive relationship, including the expressed happiness in the roles they've agreed on. However, they don't seem to describe it as a refuge from the world or show veiled hostility towards everyone else...
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My first instinct was to make fun of these people, and then realized that in the Firefox tab right next to the one in which I was reading the article, I had "dresslikeapirate.com" open. I am a pot.
A parasite feeding on bacteria growing on fungus growing on cow excrement? The only way the parasitic chain could get any longer would be if the cow excrement worked for the government.
- Smacky
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Pirates don't bemoan the world and hide away from it. They draw their cutlasses and attack! :D
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Pathetic. And they're basing their ideas on old movies? Do they really think Depression-era secretaries wore mink stoles and diamond necklaces over their silk ball gowns?
Also, 1940s woman should wear a much shorter skirt -- in keeping with the fabric rationing of the time -- and regularly spend nights trying to sleep in her basement while air-raid sirens blare. And her husband sure as hell wouldn't be eating homemade-jam sandwiches every day, since sugar rationing made jam a luxury.
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That sounds about right for people who fetishize the 50's.
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Actually, that would be a cool and honest approach. "I want my house and clothes to look glamorous, like something out of X sort of movie." People work their asses off making sets and costumes look cool in movies, after all.
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Granted, but these people aren't saying "I like the styles of a bygone era so I decorate my house that way;" they're trying to lead their entire lives around an idealized image of the past, which they think was real.
It's the difference between having Victorian antiques in your house, versus pretending you really live in Victorian times because in those days all men were gentlemen and no women ever suffered and children were always well-dressed and respectful to their elders.
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I've been assured that in an earlier era students were all well-prepared and could read Newton in the original Latin as preparation for a lecture that focused on the finer philosophical points of his approach. Moreover, they came to class well-dressed, behaved like gentlemen or ladies, did their homework on time, and held their professors in high esteem.
I don't believe a word of it.
"the only thing worse than a freeper is a blue state freeper that doesn't realize they're a freeper." -dhex
hoisted by their own waterboard!
-dhex
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Maybe in the future, people will base their lives around the 1970s as portrayed in the Superman movie. It was a golden era, when a single journalist in the big city made enough to afford a gorgeous penthouse apartment with a rooftop garden.
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ahh, good ol' gaius marius ...
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You know what else was better about the old days? Acne hadn't been invented yet. And when long-haired women like me went outside on windy days, the wind always blew our hair behind us in a sexy, carefree manner. No woman ever had her hair blow into her face or her mouth.
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Now don't sugarcoat. There was certainly strategic hair in the face, just the bangs mind you, and the occasional hair in the mouth if it were just cute and not spittle gross.
Humidity frizz, now THAT never used to happen.
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i miss him.
"the only thing worse than a freeper is a blue state freeper that doesn't realize they're a freeper." -dhex
hoisted by their own waterboard!
-dhex
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When folks in my favorite time period got hair in their mouth, it was because the rats hadn't been properly shaved before grinding 'em up for the sausages! Yarr!
A parasite feeding on bacteria growing on fungus growing on cow excrement? The only way the parasitic chain could get any longer would be if the cow excrement worked for the government.
- Smacky
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eewwwwww... I almost threw up the food I was eating while reading this. There goes my appetite for the entire evening.
"Discovery consists not in seeking new landscapes but in having new eyes" -Marcel Proust
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And you know there will be the "topper" in that movement who says they actually can't deal with technology and have reverted to caveperson style. Then they will lord this over the other historical reenactment geeks.
This is a personal problem. There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable use of high explosives. This is not one of those exceptions.
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I especially got a kick out of 1930s woman, who relives life in the impoverished Depression by wearing vintage outfits costing between $100 and $300 apiece, and has to do the unwomanly task of working part-time, but only because they need the money.
Maybe she can take it a step further: live in a dirt-floor hovel, and have the dirt imported from an actual Oklahoma farm abandoned during the Dust Bowl years. She can probably have an authentic Poverty Shack built for a mere $450,000.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-primitivism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zerzan
ask and thou shalt receive.
living in a douglas sirk movie is marginally less degrading than living in some sci-fi author's world or one of those creepy adult harry potter fans with the matching scarves. it has the bonus of being a somewhat novel mode of fleeing from reality/building an aesthetic womb, and is far more stylish.
historical fanfiction made flesh by ebay.
also that is a banging car and i would totally slap wiseguys and kiss dames if i had a car like that.
"Yeah, but my character would be all swav and deboner." - Warren
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I was also amused at the claims of how people were more genteel in the olden days. What, genteel and soft-spoken and demurely dressed like Tallulah Bankhead?
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I will confess to understanding the urge to, as it were, role-play an idealized version of some other time/place. There was one girl I was involved with briefly whom I bonded with largely over a shared fondness for, for lack of a better term, chivalry roleplaying. As in, we had gone out with a group of friends, all kind of dressed up, and wound up spending the entire night with me opening doors and walking on the correct side of her and offering her my arm, and things like that.
The difference is that I enjoy play-acting the Chivalrous Aristocrat; I'm not under the impression that I am one, or that such people ever existed, or that the time when they nominally existed was superior to ours. Also that I cut the crap as soon as real life returns.
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There have always been Miniver Cheevys amongst us. Even among libertarians there are those who long for the pre-Roosevelt (pick either or both R's) because that that was when there was 'real capitalism' (conveniently forgeting about how the 'capitalists' of that era blatantly bought favors from politicians on a routine basis).
For myself, whenever I get nostalgic, I just remember the old router drill that my first dentist had before the development of the modern high speed drills. I'll stick to the modern era, TYVM. (And I'm really hoping that Ron Bailey's 'youth pill' is developed real soon. Get on it, Jadagul!)
All I ask is a good horse and a fair day.
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I dunno; a Jetsons-style home would be rather keen, within the limits of 60s architecture.
That's actually something like my response to it; dressing like a wizard or a Starfleet officer for an event seems perfectly fine to me - Hell, I dressed up as a sort of scrungy vagrant and wore greasepaint the time I larped as a hideous sewer-dwelling Nosferatu, and I've considered costumes for SF cons - but wearing an outfit like that day-to-day and going on about how this fictional world (or an idealized version of a bygone age) is superior to the real one bugs me.
Now, dressing up in one of the suits Alex Baldwin wore in The Shadow...that's just snazzy.
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60s american retro-futurism has some tasty color schemes going on. the furniture is probably more fun to visit than to use, though.
just the right mix of "stalker" and "unbalanced" with a hint of new romanticism.
"Yeah, but my character would be all swav and deboner." - Warren
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No, dhex, the stuff he wore while walking around in public as Lamont Cranston - the stuff from Brook's Brothers. :)
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That stuff always make me think superscience.
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man, that makes a lot more sense. i was a bit worried before.
"Yeah, but my character would be all swav and deboner." - Warren
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Well, yeah, that's why I said suits. :)
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well there's a suit underneath the cape, no? (i've never seen the film)
"Yeah, but my character would be all swav and deboner." - Warren
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Yeah, but you can't really see it. Not that you can easily see the cape, either - that's kind of the point of the clouding-men's-minds. :)
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somewhat related to the original topic:
http://www.aristasia.co.uk/
something of an explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristasia
http://aristasia-central.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=Blondes+and+Brunettes
so if you took the revolutionary traditionalist approach of evola, took the whole turn of the century chthonic ideal at face value but then turned it into a sole-gender enterprise, it would look something like this. in some ways it's a mirror of the burroughsian fantasy of an all male anti-venusian confederacy of free states.
"Yeah, but my character would be all swav and deboner." - Warren
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On a similar topic: did anyone see the last episode of Penn and Teller's Bullshit? It was about "The Good Old Days," and much of the episode focused on some super-sad guys who idolize the 50s because they were such a perfect era, which they know from watching that fine documentary series Leave It To Beaver.
I am not making this up. I wish I were.
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My grandmother was a perfect "old days" sort of housewife. She always had a pot of soup ready for the kids when they got home from school and kept their homey old house in Montana clean.
The thing is, I don't remember my grandmother on my mother's side very much. When I was about 7 she committed suicide with a shotgun. Needless to say, our family is well aware of how much that whole cultural milieu leaves to be desired.
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Jesus, that's awful.