Oh those crazy Brits

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3% of Brits believe that the world is run but dinosaur-like reptiles. Granted, this was taken from an online poll, so I'm guessing those 30 guys were just messing around.

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FWIW, The new X-files movie would've been a great stand-alone episode, if they'd tightened the pace and done some work on the dialogue.

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What I really like is the finding that twice as many people as that believe that Microsoft is sending secret messages through Wingdings.

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Wingdings!! So that's what they're for. I always wondered. That makes perfect sense.

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JD wrote:
What I really like is the finding that twice as many people as that believe that Microsoft is sending secret messages through Wingdings.

It is - you should listen!

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Mo wrote:
3% of Brits believe that the world is run but (sic) dinosaur-like reptiles.

That would be the Judoon I think.

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Mo wrote:
3% of Brits believe that the world is run but dinosaur-like reptiles.
Granted, this was taken from an online poll, so I'm guessing those 30 guys were just messing around.

I don't know what's strange about that. It seems a fair description of most politicians to me.

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It is pretty crazy the large number of people in any country that believe stupid and crazy shit. And that don't know simple shit that everybody should know.

A lot of countries I go, there are people who show me videos of how stupid American people are. And my response to that is that yes, there are a lot of dumb people in the US. But there are just as many dumb people in other countries. They are just dumb in different subjects.

The Canadians have a show about how dumb Americans are. Part of the show proving how dumb we are is a question about a Canadian province, and while watching that, I though the show proved how stupid Canadians were for thinking that any American had a reason to know about that province.

Anyhow the world is populated by idiots. Idiots that hopefully are skilled in some task other than voting. And they contribute to the wealth of the world by performing their task and then watching their version of American Idol.

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kwais wrote:

The Canadians have a show about how dumb Americans are.

Wow. How narrow-minded of Canada (and those other countries who revel in mocking America). Say what you will about America, but at least we don't have shows devoted to disparaging an entire nation. That's kind of pathetic...it's like the ugly girl who has to make fun of the really attractive girl to make herself feel better about her own inadequacies. Finally: U.S.A! U.S.A.!!!!!!1

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david icke in your area
causin' mass hysteria

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smacky wrote:
kwais wrote:

The Canadians have a show about how dumb Americans are.

Wow. How narrow-minded of Canada (and those other countries who revel in mocking America). Say what you will about America, but at least we don't have shows devoted to disparaging an entire nation. That's kind of pathetic...it's like the ugly girl who has to make fun of the really attractive girl to make herself feel better about her own inadequacies. Finally: U.S.A! U.S.A.!!!!!!1

Uh, yeah we do. We have shitloads of shows about how stupid America is. Ohh, you meant making fun of other countries.

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smacky wrote:
Say what you will about America, but at least we don't have shows devoted to disparaging an entire nation.

That's because we have Fox News instead.

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Also, which is more damning for a nation: a private citizen making a television show that insults another country, or a high-ranking elected official getting into a snit and saying that French fries will henceforth be known as "freedom" fries, to teach those icky Frenchmen a lesson? And many freedom-loving French-hating patriots following his lead?

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Jennifer wrote:
Also, which is more damning for a nation: a private citizen making a television show that insults another country, or a high-ranking elected official getting into a snit and saying that French fries will henceforth be known as "freedom" fries, to teach those icky Frenchmen a lesson? And many freedom-loving French-hating patriots following his lead?

I have previously expressed my contempt for Rick Mercer & his "Talking to Americans", however the greatest shame of it is that the program is on CBC - which is 100% owned by the Canadian government. (The 'official' policy is that the government will not interfere with CBC content, which means that the network is defacto controlled by its leftist bureaucrats.)

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Jennifer wrote:
Also, which is more damning for a nation: a private citizen making a television show that insults another country, or a high-ranking elected official getting into a snit and saying that French fries will henceforth be known as "freedom" fries, to teach those icky Frenchmen a lesson? And many freedom-loving French-hating patriots following his lead?

I have previously expressed my contempt for Rick Mercer & his "Talking to Americans", however the greatest shame of it is that the program is on CBC - which is 100% owned by the Canadian government. (The 'official' policy is that the government will not interfere with CBC content, which means that the network is defacto controlled by its leftist bureaucrats.)

So it would be better if the Canadian government banned the program on the grounds that it's offensive? Of course not. And I still say that bad behavior from a TV host is far less damning to a country than bad behavior from a government official. Christ, members of the US House of Representatives had a temper tantrum because those mean ole French refused to support Our Glorious Adventure In Iraq, they actually demanded that "French fries" be changed to "freedom fries" on cafeteria menus ... and I'm supposed to remember such petty, pippy-poo spite and think "Ha, America is more mature about other nations than Canada because we don't have a 'Boo for France' television show?"

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Actually, we have had Members of Parliament make insulting remarks about the US. (Carolyn Parrish referred to GWB as an idiot.) However, since neither they nor your members of the HofR form the government executive, I'm not particularly perturbed.

I am perturbed that a government owned network allows programs which appeal to bigotry, just as I thought Rumsfeld should have been fired for the "Old Europe" crack at France and Germany. It's one thing to play domestic politics with foreign policy when you are merely a representative of a District or Constituency, it is quite another to do it when you are part of the Executive. It would have been quite in order for the governments of France and Germany to inform the US government that the Secretary of Defense was persona non grata and advise that no representative of their governments would meet with him in any capacity.

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Aresen wrote:
Jennifer wrote:
Also, which is more damning for a nation: a private citizen making a television show that insults another country, or a high-ranking elected official getting into a snit and saying that French fries will henceforth be known as "freedom" fries, to teach those icky Frenchmen a lesson? And many freedom-loving French-hating patriots following his lead?

I have previously expressed my contempt for Rick Mercer & his "Talking to Americans", however the greatest shame of it is that the program is on CBC - which is 100% owned by the Canadian government. (The 'official' policy is that the government will not interfere with CBC content, which means that the network is defacto controlled by its leftist bureaucrats.)

I have definitely seen evidence of leaning right once the Cons got to power in Ottawa. Definitely. Yes, the government does interfere with CBC's content, though it is not admitted.

And that, by the way, I find offensive for (a) the interference by the gov., and (b) I like the CBC better when it is left leaning because "conservative" has more of a neo-con-ish meaning.

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Actually, we have had Members of Parliament make insulting remarks about the US. (Carolyn Parrish referred to GWB as an idiot.) However, since neither they nor your members of the HofR form the government executive, I'm not particularly perturbed.

I am perturbed that a government owned network allows programs which appeal to bigotry, just as I thought Rumsfeld should have been fired for the "Old Europe" crack at France and Germany. It's one thing to play domestic politics with foreign policy when you are merely a representative of a District or Constituency, it is quite another to do it when you are part of the Executive. It would have been quite in order for the governments of France and Germany to inform the US government that the Secretary of Defense was persona non grata and advise that no representative of their governments would meet with him in any capacity.

Agreed about Rumsfeld et al, but shutting down programs which "appeal to bigotry" would be a dangerous precedent indeed. Who's to say what "bigotry" is? We can probably agree that "black guys are stupid" is a bigoted statement. But "Americans are stupid" is more ambiguous ... was it acceptable to say this the day after Bush's re-election in 2004? What if a Canadian is pissed off because a TSA flunky just confiscated his $3,000 laptop; can he acceptably make a few "stupid American" cracks then? Or must every comment be headed off with a disclaimer: "Some Americans are stupid bed-wetting cowards who will gladly abandon their freedom in the name of Fighting Terrists (sic), but of course you will find many upstanding individuals amongst that group." Is it bigotry for a comedian to joke about how men take sports too seriously, without a disclaimer than some men could give a shit either way? Was I being a bigot when I told Ali that in order to be a Real AmericanTM, he had to take personal responsibility for winning World War Two? If so, is my bigotry mitigated by the fact that I myself am American? Would the same comment be more offensive had it been typed by a non-American?

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Also, Mercer's show is a comedy show. And they do in fact make fun of Canadian pols too. Like the shows "This Hour has 22 Minutes" and "Air Farce" all make fun Canadians (Ottawans, Toronotnians, Newfoundlanders, etc), Canadian pols (conservative and liberal), as well as American politicians. I always thought that these shows are just satire. Nothing more, nothing less. The fact that CBC is government funded is another story.

That is, I don't think this is bigotry at all.

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I agree there is no grounds for censorship or even political interence. I'm just saying it bugs the hell out of me when it is being paid for by my taxes.

And I don't really mind jokes that poke fun at a national stereotype, so long as it is done in a joshing, friendly way. [Florida joke: What's the difference between a canoe and a Canadian? Ans: A canoe tips.] I get upset with pandering to the mean-spirited anti-Americanism in my country, which is at the level of anti-semitism in the 1950s. It is perfectly acceptable here to say that Americans are stupid, bigoted, violent, arrogant, inconsiderate bullies who are only concerned with money. (My general response is: With a view to history, what other nation in the world would you rather have as neighbors? The Russians? The Chinese? The French? The Germans? The English?) I find it disgusting; it is more disgusting that a supposedly responsible "public" network should go along with it.

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Aresen wrote:
I'm just saying it bugs the hell out of me when it is being paid for by my taxes.

Yeah, that's the problem.

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Ali

Yes, it is satire. But there is an intent to defame that is lacking in say, their jokes about the Queen. There is also a leftish twist to every joke. When they make fun of Jack Layton, for example, it is never because his policies are idiotic, it is because he is not leftish enough. It is taken as given that only a liberal cares about the poor. It is taken as given that anyone from Alberta is a redneck bigot (unless they are condemning the Alberta Government).

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Aresen wrote:
My general response is: With a view to history, what other nation in the world would you rather have as neighbors? The Russians? The Chinese? The French? The Germans? The English?) I find it disgusting; it is more disgusting that a supposedly responsible "public" network should go along with it.

OOPS:

Left out: The Egyptians?

;)

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Aresen wrote:
Aresen wrote:
My general response is: With a view to history, what other nation in the world would you rather have as neighbors? The Russians? The Chinese? The French? The Germans? The English?) I find it disgusting; it is more disgusting that a supposedly responsible "public" network should go along with it.

OOPS:

Left out: The Egyptians?

;)

I was actually going to suggest the Egyptians. :-)

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Aresen wrote:
Ali

Yes, it is satire. But there is an intent to defame that is lacking in say, their jokes about the Queen. There is also a leftish twist to every joke. When they make fun of Jack Layton, for example, it is never because his policies are idiotic, it is because he is not leftish enough. It is taken as given that only a liberal cares about the poor. It is taken as given that anyone from Alberta is a redneck bigot (unless they are condemning the Alberta Government).

I'll be honest here. Back during the times when I would spend a lot of time in Toronto, I was myself quite leftish. Not because of any specific policy, but because those on the right freaked the hell out of me. Whether that be the Conservatives in Canada or the Republicans in the US. My views of the Conservatives did change a little recently (I still can't stand the cold-blooded-ness of ... um... what''s his name.. the prime minister). I am not sure about the Republicans though. Just can't stand them at all. This is what I share with the extreme left, anything with an "R" next to it I just simply despise (with a few exceptions: that rep. from Nebraska, Ron paul, and that's pretty much it).

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I gather you don't visit lonewacko's web page or spend much time on LGF, then. ;)

I will grant that there are some pretty repulsive people on the right. (Rush Limbaugh. Michelle Malkin and Bill O'Reilly, for example.)

But I find just as many revolting people on the left: Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein, Michael Moore.

My biggest beef with the CBC is that the opinions of the latter group are treated respectfully while those of the former group are not.

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Yeah, I am coming to realize how many people on the left are either (a) daydreamers, too optimistic a people to the level of ignoring and not understanding the realities of the world, or (b), like their counterparts on the right (Malkin et al.) they are just as dishonest, twisted and bigoted in their own way. For example, I used to be somewhat of a fan of the Huffington Post. I still visit the website regularly, though now I see how twisted and/or idiotic these people are.

Klein and Moore really piss me off. I hold some respect for Chomsky for a couple of reasons. One being, I got to know of him as a linguistic and "philosopher" not as a left nutcase. Other than that, yeah, he's a leftist nutcase.

I generally don't hate people, even if I disagree with them or if they piss me off. I just get offended by either their naivety (e.g., annoying people on the left) or dishonesty (e.g., some people on the left, and many people on the right).

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I find the far-right worse than far-left in this country, for the simple reason that you can still live a conservative life in a liberal country, but you can't live a liberal life in a conservative country. Heterosexuality wouldn't be oppressed by the state if the Kleins and Chomskys got their way, but homosexuality would be if the Limbaughs and Malkins did.

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Jennifer wrote:
I find the far-right worse than far-left in this country, for the simple reason that you can still live a conservative life in a liberal country, but you can't live a liberal life in a conservative country. Heterosexuality wouldn't be oppressed by the state if the Kleins and Chomskys got their way, but homosexuality would be if the Limbaughs and Malkins did.

My sentiments exactly. I generally find myself much more comfortable with leftists **as human beings** than with hawkish right-wingers and religious conservatives. The latter --hawkish right-wingers and religious conservatives-- I actually can't quite stand at all!

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Jennifer wrote:
I find the far-right worse than far-left in this country, for the simple reason that you can still live a conservative life in a liberal country, but you can't live a liberal life in a conservative country. Heterosexuality wouldn't be oppressed by the state if the Kleins and Chomskys got their way, but homosexuality would be if the Limbaughs and Malkins did.

I'm going to quibble with you on that, as, once they are in power, leftists tend to be every bit as sexually oppressive as rightists. cf The whole 'pornography exploits women' meme that feminists have made part of the left-liberal agenda. (And Chomsky seems to have bought into.) Look at the Soviet Union and China - two of the most sexually oppresive places on earth. I do not think that I am unfairly conflating the left with totalitarianism here. I beleive that the impulse to control personal behavior that is endemic to the left eventually extends to controlling sexual behavior given time and the opportunity to do so.

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Aresen wrote:
I believe that the impulse to control personal behavior that is endemic to the left eventually extends to controlling sexual behavior given time and the opportunity to do so.

I think it's a truism that everyone is trying to control everyone else's sexual behavior to some extent or to some end. That is what mating is all about...it's very aggressive from the perspective of both genders. The whole objective is to keep the government from being able to force laws on us about things. Still, I think some laws are necessary...for example, thanks to certain sleazy pieces of human waste, we have to have age of consent laws, because otherwise nothing would keep some creeps from coercing people too young and too unworldly to defend themselves properly into bad situations.

And before anyone challenges me on that point, let me preemptively say that I'm going to ignore any and all references to age of consent from here on out. I mean that. So just forget it.

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Smacky

I agree that there must be limits, but I don't think the left would stop at "if you are consenting adults, do what you like." On the contrary, I think leftists would be just as willing as rightists to ban anything "icky" as "anti-social behavior."

"You like to flog yourself? That is unhealthy. It is a Threat to Society and must be stopped." is an attitude every bit as common on the left as on the right. The only difference is that the right puts it higher on its agenda.

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Aresen wrote:
Smacky

I agree that there must be limits, but I don't think the left would stop at "if you are consenting adults, do what you like." On the contrary, I think leftists would be just as willing as rightists to ban anything "icky" as "anti-social behavior."

"You like to flog yourself? That is unhealthy. It is a Threat to Society and must be stopped." is an attitude every bit as common on the left as on the right. The only difference is that the right puts it higher on its agenda.

That is probably true. As evidence, see trans-fat bans, seat belt and helmet laws, or smoking bans. Why not on sexual impulses, too, if they are too "icky"?

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Chomsky is, within his field, a genuinely brilliant man. I don't personally believe in the deep-grammar rationalism that undergirds his work and I also think the fact that Pinker holds his work in such high regard is just one more reason to be critical of Pinker, but Chomsky's insight about how any natural language user's "generative grammar" entails being able to compose and understanding an infinite number of meaningful statements (sentences, propositions, etc. depending on your philosophy of language) is really quite remarkable and significant.

His politics, OTOH, are simply beyond the pale. He is perhaps the most breathtakingly obvious living example of how stupid smart people can be when they stray from their area of expertise. For the most part, he's simply a political polemicist, unwilling to debate the issues calmly or fairly, embarrassingly ignorant of economics and and utterly closed-minded and unwilling to admit even the possibility of his own error.

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