CT Liberty Forum: I'm doing the "panelist" thing

Jennifer's picture

On September 27 and 28 there's supposed to be a "Connecticut Liberty Forum" being held at the Clarion Hotel in Bristol. I'm going to be one of the panelists speaking about "Freedom of the Press" on Sunday, and they already put my name and picture on the panelist page. I'm also going to attend the cocktail hour on Saturday. This will be a chance for me to dress up and "network"; meanwhile, I need to figure out how to take advantage of this opportunity.

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The clothes make the man. Sad but true. Be sure to wear something elegant and professional looking. Something with taste and style. And above all, something low cut.

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Nothing low-cut, Warren. I already have my outfits picked out; I'm just going to feel rather out of it because the "freelance reporter and blogger" thing on the Website is just a fancier way of saying "unemployed."

Unemployment rant: it drives me bugnuts when I keep applying for all these freelance gigs for which I'd be PERFECT, but don't get them because, despite the fact that the entire job is to be done over the Internet, the company still wants its freelancers to be in a given geographical area for meatspace meetings. Hello? Anybody heard of telephones, e-mails and instant messaging services? AAARRRGH.

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Be yourself. You're intelligent, passionate, witty, and attractive. Have a good time and wow the attendees.

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Going for the networking is definitely a good thing, and that's something I had to learn as a guy who wasn't into being social at all. Just being in people's consciousness and making sure they know who you are is a huge thing. I have discovered it makes a lot of difference with my photography - you need to have a reputation as somebody who's sincerely interested in a community, is responsible, and does good work. Of course, it helps that I get to do most of my networking in bars with sequined women with names like Gigi, Lexi, Bird, Nasty, and Weirdee...

Good luck; I'm sure good things will come from this, even if not directly.

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See, that's the odd thing, JD: I CAN be social. I've got the whole witty-charming-person thing down to a "T." What I can't do is bring myself to use social connections to my own advantage.

Weird, I know. I have no qualms about, for example, calling a government official and asking pointed questions which I know will piss him off. Want me to ask a drug warrior how long she thinks a paraplegic medical marijuana user needs to stay in prison? Easy and fun. Hell, at the Advocate I pitched certain stories to my editor solely so I could make such "gotcha" phone calls. But making phone calls or asking questions for my own personal benefit makes me freeze.

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Congrats! You're moving up in libertarian circles, which means you'll eventually get some of that sweet corporate whore money that professional libertarians all enjoy.

Well, that's what I was told by a lefty blog commenter, anyway. So it must be true. Right?

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Jennifer wrote:
See, that's the odd thing, JD: I CAN be social. I've got the whole witty-charming-person thing down to a "T." What I can't do is bring myself to use social connections to my own advantage.

Weird, I know. I have no qualms about, for example, calling a government official and asking pointed questions which I know will piss him off. Want me to ask a drug warrior how long she thinks a paraplegic medical marijuana user needs to stay in prison? Easy and fun. Hell, at the Advocate I pitched certain stories to my editor solely so I could make such "gotcha" phone calls. But making phone calls or asking questions for my own personal benefit makes me freeze.

First of all, how you comport yourself on the panel will be the biggest factor in how successful you are. Think of it as a competition, where you're competing against your own teammates. You want to have some repartee with your fellow panelists but you want to make sure you top them.

Then as far as networking goes, you want to socialize with the most powerful people in the room (look for the oldest men sitting next to the youngest women). Everybody else will also be trying to do the same. You will need to edge them out. Honestly, if you aren't going low cut, you're playing with a serious handicap. If you are successful, you won't need to make phone calls because they'll be calling you.

Oh, and one more thing I think I should mention. While I think I understand how this game is played. I absolutely can not play it. There's a slight chance I'm talking out my ass here. I'm an engineer. I think my knowledge and experience should speak for itself. Networking is the kind of political maneuvering that I HATE, and I just can't bring myself to do it. Mostly because schmoozing requires a certain kind of less than honest way of thinking that is the complete antithesis to the way my brain works.

Good Luck. Wish I could be there.

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Warren wrote:
Honestly, if you aren't going low cut, you're playing with a serious handicap. If you are successful, you won't need to make phone calls because they'll be calling you.

Um, there's a much higher chance than "slight" that Warren does not know what he is talking about. I'm sure you already know this, Jennifer, but *do NOT* go low-cut on your blouse. That's the complete antithesis of professional and classy in the business world. Just wear something neat and well-tailored and clean.

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Warren wrote:
Networking is the kind of political maneuvering that I HATE, and I just can't bring myself to do it. Mostly because schmoozing requires a certain kind of less than honest way of thinking that is the complete antithesis to the way my brain works.

Not necessarily. I can't "schmooze" with someone I honestly dislike or disrespect, but it's certainly easy for me to be charming and friendly at parties and such. It's almost like flirting, minus the sexual undertones.

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smacky wrote:
Warren wrote:
Honestly, if you aren't going low cut, you're playing with a serious handicap. If you are successful, you won't need to make phone calls because they'll be calling you.

Um, there's a much higher chance than "slight" that Warren does not know what he is talking about. I'm sure you already know this, Jennifer, but *do NOT* go low-cut on your blouse. That's the complete antithesis of professional and classy in the business world. Just wear something neat and well-tailored and clean.

Agreed. I'm going for "attractive," which is different from "overtly sexy."

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There's a lot of territory between a movie stereotype of a librarian and showing some cleavage, Warren. I don't think Jennifer needs your advice on how to strike the balance of looking attractive and professional but not stodgy.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch.

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Wait a minute. Warren, you're the same person who repeatedly said that when Kerry Howley wore sexy clothes on television, that meant it was perfectly acceptable for men like you to make all sorts of crude sexual remarks about her. How would this not apply to me as well? I'm networking in hopes of getting offers for writing gigs, not sexual conquests.

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Jennifer wrote:
Wait a minute. Warren, you're the same person who repeatedly said that when Kerry Howley wore sexy clothes on television, that meant it was perfectly acceptable for men like you to make all sorts of crude sexual remarks about her. How would this not apply to me as well? I'm networking in hopes of getting offers for writing gigs, not sexual conquests.

I don't see your point. Kerry has no problem getting her work published.

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Warren wrote:
Jennifer wrote:
Wait a minute. Warren, you're the same person who repeatedly said that when Kerry Howley wore sexy clothes on television, that meant it was perfectly acceptable for men like you to make all sorts of crude sexual remarks about her. How would this not apply to me as well? I'm networking in hopes of getting offers for writing gigs, not sexual conquests.

I don't see your point. Kerry has no problem getting her work published.

My point is, you're advising me to dress in a way that, according to you, would make it perfectly justifiable for men to make multiple crude comments about me, and then say "Yeah, she was asking for it. I mean, she was practically shoving her breasts in my face."

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Warren, you offered Jennifer advice on how to conduct herself in a professional setting. You have also argued that similar conduct makes one fair game for unprofessional behavior. There is a clear contradiction.

Yes, Kerry Howley manages to get her work published (as she should!) but that has nothing to do with any of the unprofessional attention coming her way. If you actually believe that she has somehow invited that attention, how could you advise somebody else to invite that attention in a professional setting?

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Well yeah, but maybe you get some work out of it. But you know, I'm really really really not looking to go down this road again (I still have the scars from the last time) so um just whatever you think is best. We're all pulling for you.

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Warren wrote:
Well yeah, but maybe you get some work out of it. But you know, I'm really really really not looking to go down this road again (I still have the scars from the last time) so um just whatever you think is best. We're all pulling for you.

I'd guess that's not all you're pulling.

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You know, it's Warren's fault that the thread took this turn.

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Jennifer wrote:
Warren wrote:
Well yeah, but maybe you get some work out of it. But you know, I'm really really really not looking to go down this road again (I still have the scars from the last time) so um just whatever you think is best. We're all pulling for you.

I'd guess that's not all you're pulling.


Like I said, witty. Just go impress the hell out of 'em, Jennifer.

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Back on topic, though: I have absolute confidence that I'll be able to go there and make people think "My, my, wasn't she an intelligent, charming, witty, attractive person." I just don't know how to turn that into actual opportunities.

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Jennifer wrote:
See, that's the odd thing, JD: I CAN be social. I've got the whole witty-charming-person thing down to a "T." What I can't do is bring myself to use social connections to my own advantage.

No, I think I get you. Hey, I had to be reasoned into the idea of accepting unemployment benefits since I didn't like the idea of taking money from a government program...

But I think perhaps you're reading too much into the networking thing. Networking, even using your social connections for your professional advantage, isn't necessarily specifically about schmoozing for jobs. Like I said, just making people aware of who you are and what you do is a kind of networking. I mean, I don't usually go around telling people "I would love to do a photo shoot with you" (although maybe I should). Just being your witty-charming-person is networking too, as long as the Who You Are and What You Do thing gets across. But then, maybe I'm telling my grandmother to suck eggs here!

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I've never professionally networked, and my ability to market ends at handing out lots of business cards when appropriate.

What does one do to network besides meet, greet, and chit-chat? How does one signal, "I'm available for doing XYZ sorts of things! Call me if you need someone to do that!" or the like?

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We count on you, Jennifer (I always wanted to be the first to say the "count on you" thing). I may come down and attend.

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Eric the .5b wrote:
I've never professionally networked, and my ability to market ends at handing out lots of business cards when appropriate.

What does one do to network besides meet, greet, and chit-chat? How does one signal, "I'm available for doing XYZ sorts of things! Call me if you need someone to do that!" or the like?

That is EXACTLY what I want to know.

EDIT: And I don't even have business cards nowadays.

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J sub D wrote:
Jennifer wrote:
Warren wrote:
Well yeah, but maybe you get some work out of it. But you know, I'm really really really not looking to go down this road again (I still have the scars from the last time) so um just whatever you think is best. We're all pulling for you.

I'd guess that's not all you're pulling.


Like I said, witty. Just go impress the hell out of 'em, Jennifer.

Witty right! With the double entendre and innuendo.

JD's right about the way networking works. It rarely works that you meet someone who wants to hire you. But maybe they know someone and they mention you to them. Or maybe you meet someone of importance at a few events and get to know them well enough that you can name drop them at an interview.

If you can "make a contact" where someone gives you their contact info, that's good. You want to have a well stocked rolodex. So if you're interviewing in the same company where you have a contact, you can maybe get some inside info, or if you're very lucky have someone put a word in for you.

Networking is not straightforward, "Hey I need a job so I'm going to make you like me in the hope that you'll give me one". It's more "Hey you're somebody in a position of power, so I'm going to make you like me and then wait for an opportunity to arise so I can exploit our relationship to my advantage."

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My experience with "networking" and work is that there is little one can consciously do about it- it's largely out of one's control. After getting yourself and your work out there, you have to trust that people who have a good opinion of that work will remember you when something comes up that they can pass along or recommend you for. About the only thing you can do is make sure people are aware that you are willing to do certain kinds of work and that you're available (I just mention this because I've seen people making hiring decisions make certain assumptions like "oh, they wouldn't be interested in that" or "they are doing (job x), so they are probably too busy).

I think it can be a lot like relationships- trying to hard can turn people off.

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Warren, not Jennifer* wrote:
Oh, and one more thing I think I should mention. While I think I understand how this game is played. I absolutely can not play it. There's a slight chance I'm talking out my ass here. I'm an engineer. I think my knowledge and experience should speak for itself. Networking is the kind of political maneuvering that I HATE, and I just can't bring myself to do it. Mostly because schmoozing requires a certain kind of less than honest way of thinking that is the complete antithesis to the way my brain works.

Having been on the job market from time to time, I can understand your reluctance to "network". However, asking people for help in finding work is neither dishonest nor an imposition, so long as you are upfront about why you are seeking their help. Most people find jobs because they know someone who knows someone who knows someone....

Most of the people you call will feel genuinely glad to help you. People like to help other people. I had some experience on the other side of this as well. One of my clients was the personnel manager of a regional grocery chain. I knew a teenager who was looking for work. The kid was smart and hardworking. I asked my client if he would mind if I gave the kid his number and he said he'd be glad to interview the kid on my recommendation. I gave the kid the name and number. I was very pissed off when I found out that the kid had never called. Why hadn't he called? The kid was ultra-religious and was concerned that the store might want him to work Sunday. If he'd bothered to apply, he would have found out that the owner of the chain was quite religious himself and the chain had a standing policy that nobody would be required to work on the sabbath or other day where their religion said they should not.

Moral of the story: People are happy to help others find a job. It makes them feel they are helping two friends. They also know they might need to network with you someday.

*EDIT to correct attribution. I will now attempt to remove my foot from my mouth.

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Aresen, that bit you quoted was from Warren, not me.

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Jennifer wrote:
Aresen, that bit you quoted was from Warren, not me.

OOPS.

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That said, I'm just as reluctant to ask for help from people I kinda-know, but not really. If I had a friend who was, for example, the editor of a newspaper, I'd sure as hell ask him if he needed any freelance pieces from me. (And besides, such things wouldn't just help me, but would also help him, because I am a good writer.) What I can't bring myself to do is ask for help from mere acquaintances, and acquaintances, not friends, are all I have in the biz. Sigh.

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Ever stopped to help a stranger pick up something they'd dropped? Ever given someone a hand with something even though you didn't know them? Ever had a club secretary phone you to take on a job for the club? Ever had a stranger ask you for directions? You felt good about it, didn't you?

I can't emphasize enough that people like to help people.

Do not be afraid to ask acquaintances and even strangers for help. Most (80%+) will be glad to do it. And you might even make some new friends along the way.

Honestly, if I had a single contact in your line of work, I'd be trying to put them in touch with you. So would everyone on this site.

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I agree with you entirely, Aresen. But I don't have any "contacts" who could help me anyway, so the point is moot.

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Jennifer wrote:
I agree with you entirely, Aresen. But I don't have any "contacts" who could help me anyway, so the point is moot.

Well, make some. Like this very weekend, you should!

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But the contacts you do have might have contacts that could help you. That is what networking is all about.

Just for a close-to-home example: Statistically, you probably met Jeff [? did I remember the name correctly?] through friends who knew you both. I'm just going on probabilities for the general population when I say that. You certainly don't feel you were "using" the people who introduced you, do you? Yet that is a form of networking.

For the job thing, it could be something like your mother has a high school acquaintance who works for a guy who knows a lady in the project office at XXX radio station/newspaper, etc. Believe me, not one of the people in that chain would feel the least put out in you contacting them. And if they don't have something that suits your abilities, they will be glad to give you the name of someone who might.

I appreciate your feelings in this. I am personally very shy until I get to know someone. Like you, I hate calling people I don't know. Once I make the contact and break the ice however, Zorro emerges. ;)

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Ali wrote:
Jennifer wrote:
I agree with you entirely, Aresen. But I don't have any "contacts" who could help me anyway, so the point is moot.

Well, make some. Like this very weekend, you should!

Unfortunately, "contacts" aren't the sort of thing you can pick up at the store. Maybe I'll get lucky at the liberty forum, though.

I have to think of some pithy things to say about the Importance Of The MediaTM. Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who said something like "given a choice between government and no press, or press and no government, I'd take the latter?"

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Aresen wrote:
But the contacts you do have might have contacts that could help you. That is what networking is all about.

Just for a close-to-home example: Statistically, you probably met Jeff [? did I remember the name correctly?] through friends who knew you both.

Um. Actually, we met in the sleazy bar where I worked at the time.

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For the job thing, it could be something like your mother has a high school acquaintance who works for a guy who knows a lady in the project office at XXX radio station/newspaper, etc.

Also, I have no family or relatives. I have Jeff, and that's pretty much it. (Yeah, I'm hopeless.)

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I appreciate your feelings in this. I am personally very shy until I get to know someone. Like you, I hate calling people I don't know. Once I make the contact and break the ice however, Zorro emerges. ;)

It's not even "calling people I don't know"; it's "calling people I don't know for my own benefit." Even when it would be mutually beneficial.

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Jennifer wrote:
[ Maybe I'll get lucky at the liberty forum, though.

That's what I am referring to in my "this very weekend" comment.

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Ali wrote:
Jennifer wrote:
[ Maybe I'll get lucky at the liberty forum, though.

That's what I am referring to in my "this very weekend" comment.

Oh. Right.

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Jennifer wrote:
It's not even "calling people I don't know"; it's "calling people I don't know for my own benefit." Even when it would be mutually beneficial.

Your assignment is: Within the next week, phone three people who might have work in your line. There is a 99% chance they will say "no".
The followup to this:
1) Ask them if they know anyone who might be able to use someone with your talents. Try to get three more contacts at a minimum. Follow up those contacts the same way you did the first three.
2) Ask each person you speak to two questions: a) How did they feel about being contacted? b) How can I polish my approach?

With practice, this will get easier. I've done it and I know it works.

Secondary assignment: Remember the guy you were calling to interview whom you heard say "Shit, not HER!" Phone him up. Yep. Phone him. If he remembered you well enough to be worried by a call from you, then you made an impression on him. If he is at all professional as a politician, he is smart enough not to let a tough interview put him off. [If this bothers you, spend a few minutes scripting the call in your mind. What is the worst thing he can do? Right, He can curse at you and hang up. Which doesn't square with being a professional politician. Much more likely: He will be impressed by your moxie and give you a lead.]

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Aresen wrote:
Jennifer wrote:
It's not even "calling people I don't know"; it's "calling people I don't know for my own benefit." Even when it would be mutually beneficial.

Your assignment is: Within the next week, phone three people who might have work in your line. There is a 99% chance they will say "no".
The followup to this:
1) Ask them if they know anyone who might be able to use someone with your talents. Try to get three more contacts at a minimum. Follow up those contacts the same way you did the first three.
2) Ask each person you speak to two questions: a) How did they feel about being contacted? b) How can I polish my approach?

With practice, this will get easier. I've done it and I know it works.

Can't do it. Besides, I tried something similar -- after losing my job, I sent an e-mail to a certain someone who I thought might be able to lend me a hand -- and it led to nothing except making me feel even WORSE about my then-new job loss.

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Secondary assignment: Remember the guy you were calling to interview whom you heard say "Shit, not HER!" Phone him up. Yep. Phone him. If he remembered you well enough to be worried by a call from you, then you made an impression on him. If he is at all professional as a politician, he is smart enough not to let a tough interview put him off. [If this bothers you, spend a few minutes scripting the call in your mind. What is the worst thing he can do? Right, He can curse at you and hang up. Which doesn't square with being a professional politician. Much more likely: He will be impressed by your moxie and give you a lead.]

WON'T do it. Are you crazy? Pretty much every politician I spoke to over the course of my pathetically short career hates my guts. Which is good -- considering how sleazy they were, if they liked me it means I did something wrong -- but I know better than to ask favors from people who despise me.

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You did one email and got negative feedback from it? I had dozens of rejections. I felt lower than a dacshund's belly. But I had to do it. And so do you.

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WON'T do it. Are you crazy? Pretty much every politician I spoke to over the course of my pathetically short career hates my guts.

So f***ing what? One of the people I called in my job search had had a screaming argument with me in the middle of the bank where I worked when I dealt with him. What is the worst he can do? Call you names and laugh at you? C'mon Jennifer, you're tougher than that!

You have to think of your job search in the same terms that you went after a story: You won't quit until you get what you want. Get out there and do it!

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Aresen wrote:
So f***ing what? One of the people I called in my job search had had a screaming argument with me in the middle of the bank where I worked when I dealt with him. What is the worst he can do? Call you names and laugh at you? C'mon Jennifer, you're tougher than that! You have to think of your job search in the same terms that you went after a story: You won't quit until you get what you want. Get out there and do it!

Yes, but what I want won't be given to me by a drug warrior or a "think of the children!" political shill anyway.

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Jennifer,
this may be horribly cynical advice, but use your social networking to your advantage TO THE MAX. I would never have my current job if it wasn't for the people I worked for during the Ron Paul campaign, and I'm sure that some of the people who you'll meet at the CT liberty forum will be more than willing (or at least able) to help you out with getting some work, even if it's temporary contract work. And being a 1099 employee has benefits, including the ability to write off your starbucks trips and thai dinners as business expenses.

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Randolph Carter wrote:
Jennifer,
this may be horribly cynical advice, but use your social networking to your advantage TO THE MAX.

I would if I had any. I'm hoping maybe I'll meet some people at the Liberty Forum (which is why I'm going), but as for right now, it's not as though I have this big pile of contacts but simply can't bring myself to call them; I have no contacts. My former boss really liked my work, but he lost his job the same day I did; other than that I don't know anybody who could give me a job, or might know someone who might be able to give me a job. None of my friends are in lines of work even close to what I want to do.

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Correction: I do have a couple of contacts, but they didn't pan out. One guy hooked me up with a friend of his who is a local op-editor; however, that paper doesn't pay anything for op-eds and isn't looking for freelance reporters. (Granted, the newspaper business is dying.) Another guy introduced me to a local free-market think tank; I did a piece for them, and got paid for it, but they didn't use it because the guy-in-charge was out of town or something, and by the time he got back the piece was too outdated to use.

I was lucky enough to be offered a part-time gig doing research for a political blogger; I'm very glad to have that, since it makes me at least a little money and enables me to put something better than "Watched Star Trek" on my resume for this time period. And I have hopes that maybe THAT will lead to something better, who knows? But otherwise, I've pretty much exhausted any semblance of "contacts" I have. I am fortunate to have been invited to do this forum thing; I actually got the invitation when I was still at the Advocate, and was surprised to learn they still wanted me to speak despite my considerably lowered status.

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One good thing, though: I now have perfect, heartfelt understanding of why scapegoating is so popular. If I could somehow convince myself that my problems were due to "those people" (blacks, Jews, IllegalImmigrants, gays, the patriarchy, the Illuminati, whoever) I'd probably feel a lot less gloomy. But knowing it's just my own idiotic inability to know how to pull myself up out of this rut purely sucks.

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Jennifer:

1) Congratulations on being on the panel. This is a form of recognition.

2) Networking is hard for me too, so I understand. I'm actually a pretty reserved person who mingles poorly; I couldn't handle being in a room full of strangers and trying to talk to them. I get the impression that you are better at this, however.

Just the fact that you are on the panel will cause people to have some curiosity about you, who you are, what you do. Just as you probably have some curiosity about other people on the panel and might want to to talk to them and ask them questions if you had the chance ... even if you had no interest in networking them for job leads. Just talk to them. Don't be shy about telling them what you do and where you used to work and that you're looking for a new job. There's no need to force it, but it's likely to come up naturally in any conversation longer than a few words.

Someone more expert in this might tell you to target certain people -- like the guy who works for the Hartford Courant. You could ask him what it's like working there, are they growing, talk about how it's hard for papers to compete against the Internet now, and mention that you used to work for the WH Advocate but got laid off there. And that's probably all you have to work into the conversation. You probably don't have to come out and ask him if he'd have any leads because once he heard you were laid off he'd probably volunteer them, if he has any that he would share.

Before the forum, you can Google the other panelists and see if there is anything else about them that makes you curious and that you'd like to ask them questions about. Or, just as good, you may run across something they've done that you admire. At the forum, you can tell them that. Then maybe follow up with a question: "I saw the thing you wrote about X ... I was wondering how you got involved in that topic." People rarely mind when you tell them that you like the work they do -- unless they are are Julian Sanchez, in which case the worst possible response from him is that he might withhold sex.

If it's too forced, don't do it, IMO. You probably don't want to come off as someone who's working it too overtly. You can keep it casual. But it is a chance for a lot of people to get to know who you are and see what you are like in person. Who knows what that might lead to.

You can always consider it practice -- getting comfortable in that kind of situation, for the time when you feel like networking "for real." One way or another, you can consider it just "laying some groundwork." You can just push the professional networking angle out of your head and just talk to people. Maybe get an idea for a free-lance article you can pitch. But mostly just satisfy your curiosity.

One suggestion I do have -- you don't have time to implement it before this weekend, but for some future occasion: Even though you are currently self-employed, you can still have business cards made up with your name and contact information, and identifying yourself as "Free-lance writer and journalist." I don't think it's that expensive to have a couple hundred printed up. I think places will design one for you too -- or maybe Jeff can help you there.

You don't need to force them on people, but if it's natural to leave them some contact information for future reference. And hey, don't you have a professional blog with your writing samples up now? Put the URL on your card too. Or in this case, maybe you don't mind if members of this audience see your personal blog. Invite people to check out some of the topics you've written about in your blog. Not necessarily because you're looking to leverage a job interview from it, but because you think they might be interesting in reading some of the topics.

Or, you could leave off the personal blog's URL, but write it down on the back of one of your cards if you want to invite people there to check it out. Just because, you know, they might be interested. And your business card just happens to be something handy to write on. That gives them your contact info if they ever need it. And if they read your stuff, they'll definitely remember you. Especially the articles about the furries and phone sex. You might even recommend that they read those specifically.

That's all I've got. Except for noting, once again, that you always have an excessively dim view of your potential and prospects. Watch that. You are your own harshest critic, and unnecessarily so. Don't gloom yourself up.

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The Courant is owned by Tribune, the same company that owns the Advocate, so the can't-apply-for-two-years restriction is still in effect. No job prospects there. But getting some cards printed up IS a good idea.

I'm not the slightest bit nervous about the panel itself, or the party the day before; it's just the whole "dammit I need a job and don't know how to find one" thing. I have no doubts about my talent and ability; it's finding an outlet for them that has me so worried about the future.

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I haven't done explicit networking, but I have gone to happy hours, introduced myself to people, and eventually (in DC, "eventually is about 3.5 seconds in) someone will ask "what do you do?" and I tell them. This resulted in Gillespie introducing me to their VP of operations, who invited us to bid on the reason.com redesign--we went from being unknown to just losing out (on price) to the guy who did Cato.org and had known Julian Sanchez and others for a long time. A bit later, at another happy hour, I talked to the same VP, who asked how things were going, and I mentioned that I might be starting to look around for another job, "so if you know anybody..." and he said, well, maybe us. So I interviewed with them, but nothing came of it (what they were looking for was a different set than what I'm good at). But basically it was a conversation that led to an interview.

Anyway, the moral of the story is, if you don't feel comfortable doing the high-pressure networking (I don't), try just being sociable, then mentioning your situation, and then just say "so if you know of anybody who might be interested..."

Also, go to Staples or whatever office supply store is nearby, and get sheets of printable business cards that you can put through your printer. Word has a template for them. Print them up with your contact number and, instead of a company, put "freelance writer, journalist." Do this now. (you're unemployed, what else ya got to do today? ;) )

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Jennifer wrote:
My former boss really liked my work, but he lost his job the same day I did; other than that I don't know anybody who could give me a job, or might know someone who might be able to give me a job. None of my friends are in lines of work even close to what I want to do.

Though you may have already done this, I'm going to ask: did you contact your boss and ask him for the name of every last person he knows who might be able to give you a job or a tip about an opening? Since he liked your work, he wouldn't be wary of giving their names; since he's presumably looking for boss-type work, he's not going to be competing with you for jobs.

And even if you did already contact him before, why not drop him another line to say, "Hey, this job market really sucks; any new leads you could give me?"

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Argh, Jennifer - you are acting defeatist about this whole thing. I hate to sound like some stupid motivational speaker, or Dad, but one can choose either to wallow in it or to get out there and do something, anything. I know it's hard. I spend plenty of time kicking myself over things I do or don't do, and coming up with various reasons to justify not doing anything. But seriously, doing anything is a big step up over doing nothing.

Here's something simple: find out who else will be there at the event. Find something they did, and write them email just to say, "Hey, I really liked that thing you did." People always like praise, and you're not asking them for anything. They will probably write back just to say thanks, and even if not, no big deal. Then when you meet them at the event, you're not meeting them completely "cold" - you can say, "Hey, I'm Jennifer; we exchanged email about XYZ" and they already have a mental hook and some positive associations for you. I do this sort of thing all the time now: "Hi, I'm JD; I was the photographer at the Student Showcase who sent you that picture of you", or "Hey, I saw you a couple months ago at Don Hill's; it's great to see you again."

Plus - and this is weird, but I think it works - it helps to have a visual "hook" too. I have unusual facial hair, plus I'm devastatingly handsome of course, so people usually remember having seen me. With your red hair and your good looks, you've got a good visual hook too. It's always good to be the distinctive one.

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also jd wears odd hats which helps. i don't recommend it for everyone but weird hats work for my friend joe as well.

seriously though, gladhand the shit out of the room. bust out the cards. load up a syringe with charm and stick that shit in your neck.

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Eat Lucky Charms the morning of the forum. Wear a charm bracelet. Wipe with Charmin. EDIT: but don't squeeze it.

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For some reason I thought this thing is this weekend, hence my "this weekend comment" above, Jennifer. Even though the first thing you say in your post is that it is in September. Duuuh! Well, sorry for not making it today :-) Apparently I literally didn't miss much! :-)

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Forum starts tomorrow and my panel is on Sunday.

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Good luck. I am sad to say that I won't be able to make it, though I intended to. My folks are in town.

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De nada, Ali. I'm not expecting anything to come of this.

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How'd it go?

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J sub D wrote:
How'd it go?

The forum itself was rather dull, but there might be something good to come of it: I wrote a blog post about the Saturday night keynote speaker (a raving nutball from the Minuteman Project who, among other things, apparently thinks that the word "Muslim" refers to people from a country called "Islam," same way "American" refers to people from a country called "The United States"), and the executive editor from a local paper made an interested comment on my blog. We had an e-mail discussion before I left for Nova Scotia, and I *might* as a result get a column in his paper. Too early to tell; I just got back last night and right now am simply too tired to write him back, for fear he'd want to speak with me tonight.

In light of all the disappointments I've had since leaving my last job, however, I'm not going to get my hopes up about this.

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Perhaps you should take up financial reporting??

Ha-ha, widdle joke there............

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fyodor wrote:
Perhaps you should take up financial reporting??

Ha-ha, widdle joke there............

In the sample columns I'm writing for the guy, I'm not even trying to mention finances because I'm so utterly fucking disgusted by the whole matter of welfare-for-megamillionaires and more bailouts for AIG since those Caribbean vacations won't pay for themselves, I know better than to think anything I wrote now would come out sounding funny rather than snippy. May as well call it the "Let Them Eat Cake" bill (yes, I know Marie Antoinette never actually said that).