I'm actually really particular about how I display the flag. I think that the only place that an American flag should be seen is on an American flag pole. The stickers/miniflags/paper plates/house flags are demeaning. Though I might make an exception if I had a flag like this:
But in general, I am not a big fan of flags. Though, my previous car had a (very) small Canadian flag stuck to the bumper. Now I have a nice little fleur-de-lis in celebration of the culture of my new Canadian province. It looks like this. On a metallic gray car, this sticker looks pretty cool.
I do not think I mind some flags, like the Canadian or US flag. What I don't like is what showing it may imply about you. I don't want to be mistaken for a blind follower of Bush's policy or whatever. After 9/11, a Belgian friend of mine said that she was freaked out by how many flags are being displayed on cars, etc. She thought that's kind of fascistic. But, hey, she's coming from Europe, so it is a bit understandable.
The Gadsden flag I don't mind because it is about a message.
I voted Yes on the condition that it's the flag I found on the side of the road a while back. It's starting to fray at the ends of the stripes, reminding me that the country will come apart if I don't take care of it.
I don't usually fly flags, but I had that one up, for a while, after 9-11. I should say, I had a little image of it up in my office. (A lot of co-workers had flags up too.) I didn't feel fully comfortably putting up the regular US flag -- it seemed a little too herdlike and "me-too-ish," at that time. This feels like a horribly arrogant thing to say. I'm not against patriotism and I certainly don't feel like I'm "above" it. I just didn't want to feel like, or look like, I was putting up a US flag because everyone else was.
After a while I also put up the original Betsy Ross flag. Sort of as a gentle rebuke to the direction we're going today.
The awesome thing about it is the fact that it's the official peacetime flag of the US. Until the Civil War, that was the flag that was flown everywhere except military bases. Seems to me using that flag would have been a much better symbol for the anti-war movement than burning Old Horizonty.
The awesome thing about it is the fact that it's the official peacetime flag of the US. Until the Civil War, that was the flag that was flown everywhere except military bases. Seems to me using that flag would have been a much better symbol for the anti-war movement than burning Old Horizonty.
Never heard of that. Reference?
If I read you correctly, the Stars and Stripes that we all know is actually the War Flag of the USA?
I'm actually curious about some references. I've heard a lot of variations on the "Civil Flag" thing from "misunderstanding based on a description from the The Scartlet Letter and that it really was just an early version of the Customs Flag that people were talking about" to "part of the sinister Federalist conspiracy."
EDIT: Just to note, I'm not saying one way I really know one way or another. When I looked into in the past, the evidence seemed contradictory. The theory that I read that made the most sense to me that the there was a "civil flag" but since the common citizen rarely could afford a flag, the military flag ended up just becoming de facto dominant.
I vaguely remember that some peace rallies in WWI used this flag as a protest flag though I don't really know if that proves it was the official civil flag or if those people were incorrect in their interpretation.
The theory that I read that made the most sense to me that the there was a "civil flag" but since the common citizen rarely could afford a flag, the military flag ended up just becoming de facto dominant
This is the theory with which I am most familiar, with the slight alteration that it wasn't just or even principally a matter of cost; it was that most people who got flags got the flag of their State, rather than the national flag, this being the days when, for better or worse, people still believed in the 10th Amendment.
As for a source, unfortunately, nothing on the internet. I picked it up originally from a couple of Professors while I was doing my undergraduate work. I trust them (and have verified other facts that they've provided, though not this) but I don't expect anyone else to.
David, please send me dimida's E-mail address so I can politely point out to him the error of his ways.
David, please send me dimida's E-mail home address so I can politely point out to him the error of his ways arrange a nice restful time in a hospital for him.
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I should put up my Gadsden
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
Mine is the infamous American flag with the peace symbol in place of the stars
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
I kinda had to vote for the second-to-last option, didn't I?
However, I wouldn't mind putting it up as a goodwill gesture. A lot of businesses do that up here.
EDIT: BTW, Happy Independence Day, guys and gals! Enjoy the fireworks.
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
High rise apartment living precludes ostentatious patriotism displays.
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
I'm actually really particular about how I display the flag. I think that the only place that an American flag should be seen is on an American flag pole. The stickers/miniflags/paper plates/house flags are demeaning. Though I might make an exception if I had a flag like this:
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
None of the answers apply to me, I guess.
But in general, I am not a big fan of flags. Though, my previous car had a (very) small Canadian flag stuck to the bumper. Now I have a nice little fleur-de-lis in celebration of the culture of my new Canadian province. It looks like this. On a metallic gray car, this sticker looks pretty cool.
I do not think I mind some flags, like the Canadian or US flag. What I don't like is what showing it may imply about you. I don't want to be mistaken for a blind follower of Bush's policy or whatever. After 9/11, a Belgian friend of mine said that she was freaked out by how many flags are being displayed on cars, etc. She thought that's kind of fascistic. But, hey, she's coming from Europe, so it is a bit understandable.
The Gadsden flag I don't mind because it is about a message.
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
I voted Yes on the condition that it's the flag I found on the side of the road a while back. It's starting to fray at the ends of the stripes, reminding me that the country will come apart if I don't take care of it.
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
JD - I am a big fan of the Gadsden flag.
I don't usually fly flags, but I had that one up, for a while, after 9-11. I should say, I had a little image of it up in my office. (A lot of co-workers had flags up too.) I didn't feel fully comfortably putting up the regular US flag -- it seemed a little too herdlike and "me-too-ish," at that time. This feels like a horribly arrogant thing to say. I'm not against patriotism and I certainly don't feel like I'm "above" it. I just didn't want to feel like, or look like, I was putting up a US flag because everyone else was.
After a while I also put up the original Betsy Ross flag. Sort of as a gentle rebuke to the direction we're going today.
PS: I also like Shem's flag.
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
The awesome thing about it is the fact that it's the official peacetime flag of the US. Until the Civil War, that was the flag that was flown everywhere except military bases. Seems to me using that flag would have been a much better symbol for the anti-war movement than burning Old Horizonty.
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
Never heard of that. Reference?
If I read you correctly, the Stars and Stripes that we all know is actually the War Flag of the USA?
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
I'm actually curious about some references. I've heard a lot of variations on the "Civil Flag" thing from "misunderstanding based on a description from the The Scartlet Letter and that it really was just an early version of the Customs Flag that people were talking about" to "part of the sinister Federalist conspiracy."
EDIT: Just to note, I'm not saying one way I really know one way or another. When I looked into in the past, the evidence seemed contradictory. The theory that I read that made the most sense to me that the there was a "civil flag" but since the common citizen rarely could afford a flag, the military flag ended up just becoming de facto dominant.
I vaguely remember that some peace rallies in WWI used this flag as a protest flag though I don't really know if that proves it was the official civil flag or if those people were incorrect in their interpretation.
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
This is the theory with which I am most familiar, with the slight alteration that it wasn't just or even principally a matter of cost; it was that most people who got flags got the flag of their State, rather than the national flag, this being the days when, for better or worse, people still believed in the 10th Amendment.
As for a source, unfortunately, nothing on the internet. I picked it up originally from a couple of Professors while I was doing my undergraduate work. I trust them (and have verified other facts that they've provided, though not this) but I don't expect anyone else to.
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Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
O f**k. Another spammer. Kill it, David.
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
OMG
*head explodes*
Somebody get Ellie!!
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
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Wow, that's not going to make any sense after the offending post is deleted.
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
I can't believe nobody has brought up the issue of the GOLD FRINGE!
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
David, please send me dimida's E-mail address so I can politely point out to him the error of his ways.
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
Best version of the flag for bras, panties, and twisted undies? I think I have a photograph of that, actually...
Re: It's the 4th of July, are you flying the flag?
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