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I've been back on a book kick recently. I bought The Confusion, the second book of Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle, recently, and will read it as soon as I find a synopsis to remind me of what went on in the first book (normally not a problem, but these are dense books). At present I'm reading Unknown Quantities, John Derbyshire's (yes, that John Derbyshire) history of algebra. Quite fascinating, though given my weak background in theoretical math at times above my head.

I finished Paladin of Souls this week, which was the Hugo and Nebula award winner for best novel in 2003. Wow. Lois McMaster Bujold is definitely one of the best SF writers of all time. I hadn't realized that she'd one four Hugos for best novel, tying Heinlein's record. Her Miles Vorkosigan books are excellent (those I've read, anyways), and this book was one of the best fantasy novels I've ever read. When I bought the book I didn't know that this was part of a series; I'm definitely going to read the first and third books now (they're loosely connected enough that this is feasible).

I also just finished (read: read in one day) the first book of The Dresden Files, after watching the show. I'm glad that I saw the show first; now I can continue enjoying it as its own entity, without being too outraged at the changes from the book. Quite excellent work. It's a change to go from reading a novel by one of the best SF writers of all time at the height of her powers to a novelist's first book, but it's also instructive.

Also, note to self: when (if) I get my first novel published, make sure to smile in the damn author's photo. Why is it that people don't smile in these things? Bands do it, too; when was the last time a band looked happy in the photos on their album? Seriously, people, would it hurt you to smile? You don't look badass, you look like you take yourself too seriously.

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I was reading some H. G. Wells short stories, but because of that hateful creationist-science thread in the General Chatter forum I now find myself reading and excerpting a creationist tract called The End of Evolution. It's like a Jack Chick comic, only without the funny drawings. Ugh.

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I am reading a book called "Blood and Thunder" so far a great read. I think it is going to get depressing, so far there haven't been any indian genocides, but they are coming I am sure.

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just finished reading tropic of cancer again. am going to read house of leaves (because it was a gift, though i have the feeling i will not dig it) to supplement the academic nonsense i'm eating up lately.

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I just got through reading William Gibson's Virtual Light. Before that it was Blindsight by Peter Watts. Before that it was The Road to Serfdom. I don't know what's next -- maybe I'll pick up the Gibson after Virtual Light if it's not Idoru which I have already read.

The Gibson I gobbled down like I do everything of his. Blindsight was intriguing -- I will be reading more Watts in the future. Hayek I read just because I thought I ought to -- I must confess that I set it aside to finish later. It is stimulating reading, but it is giving me that itchy feeling that I am going to have to resolve the conflict between my egalitarian and libertarian leanings sooner rather than later.

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Having put Greg Bear's Blood Music on hold due to the fact that it's just creeping me out (even though it's pretty fascinating) and my chosen time to read (before sleep) is really a bad time to creep oneself out, I've gone back to a classic fluff-piece standard, The Three Musketeers. There's just something about the mix of swashbuckleriness and incredibly pompous writing that I find wholly entertaining.

I'm also poking my way through Alton Brown's I'm Just Here for the Food, which is pretty good, although it's aimed a bit above most of my own ambitions at this point. Basically it's a cooking manual, rather than a cookbook. There's extensive discussion of various cooking methods - all taking home equipment into consideration - with a few illustrative recipes for each chapter. The chapters are separated not by food type, (beef/lamb/pork/poultry or appetizer/main-course/side-dish) but by cooking method (searing, roasting, broiling, braising, etc).

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Right now, I'm reading The Master and the Margarita, after reading about it in an H&R thread. Next is the Illuminatus trilogy.

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I just finished Ken MacLeod's Giant Lizards From Another Star, a variegated collection of:

1) Short science fiction, the standouts being the novella "Cydonia" (conspiracy theories in immersive cyberspace and the real-world New World Order), the novella "The Human Front" (alternate history about flying saucers and World War III), and "A Case of Consilience" (a Presbyterian [I think?] priest tries to make contact with intelligent alien fungus).

2) Various essays on science, science fiction, Scotland, politics, etc.

3) Write-ups of various SF conventions he's attended.

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I bought The Confusion, the second book of Neal Stephenson's Baroque Cycle, recently, and will read it as soon as I find a synopsis to remind me of what went on in the first book (normally not a problem, but these are dense books).

I suggest you look at the page on wikipedia and then jump in. It will all come back quickly enough.

On the third book, "The System of the World," I used wikipedia to follow the real history. It helped me enjoy it much more than the previous two. I don't think it was the best of the 3, but wikipedia's brief history entries helped me follow the book much more easily. Sadly, typical of Stephenson, the ending was weak. I love his books, but always dread the endings. The last 5 pages never do justice to the previous gazillion pages.

It is strange that you include Bujold in the same post as Stephenson, her stuff, at least the only one I read, "The Vor Game," while strong on character development was very light on good sci-fi ideas. Miles seemed to be awfully dashing for someone in his condition. Yeah, there was a lot of palace intrigue (not in same league as Dune), but that doesn't seem enough to justify the award and it certainly doesn't hold a candle to Stephenson when it comes to ideas.

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Belated Chanukkah and Vday giftage. Zombie Suvival Guide by Max Brooks and Earthship: Vol. 1 by Michael Reynolds. Okay, I guess neither one of these qualifies as "deep" reading but at least they aren't graphic novels.

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I just finished "The Gnostic Gospels" by Elaine Pagels. Interesting book about gnostics, but very little time spent analyzing the actual texts of the Gospels. More time is spent analyzing what the gnostics write about themselves and what others write about them.

On one level, that makes sense. I mean, the Bible is claimed as a holy text by liberal Catholics and fire and brimstone Baptists alike, so reading the text itself may not tell you all that much about the religion as it's actually practiced. OTOH, given that some books "made the cut" and others didn't, well, I'm kind of curious to read the books that didn't make the cut and learn more about them. Not to mention that the title is "The Gnostic Gospels."

I'm kind of curious to read about the Mandaeans. They're followers of John the Baptist, found mostly in Iraq and Iran. (Well, actually, ever since we "brought the gift of freedom" to Iraq the Mandaeans have been fleeing in massive numbers. I guess they hate us for their freedom, or something.)

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i just read a few more books and papers on virtual ethnographies and message board communication communities, etc. it's uh, well, it's good for my project, but i hate some of the terminology. (interesting note: .2% of all words posted in a usenet umbrella - i think it was the rec.* group - in a survey of three months were "swears" in this one paper's report. not nearly as high as one would think.)

i'm re-reading rites and symbols of initiation by mircea eliade to see if i can get some insight into the hazing process. i also like eliade so it's not painful or nuttin'.

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Forgot to mention, been reading Coroner's Journal by Louis Cataldie, which basically chronicles his job as coroner from the days out of med school all the way to his involvement as the main coroner during Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, great blurb from here

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The frank and unvarnished memoir of a life spent stalking death in the Deep South. Baton Rouge is a little town with big-city problems. Rich with Creole history, colorful locals, and a strong sense of community, it's also the home of Napoleonic codes, stubborn cops, and a sometimes-troubled leadership. Baton Rouge-which literally means "Red Stick"-lives up to its bloody namesake.

And after more than ten years as a deputy coroner and then as its chief coroner, Louis Cataldie has seen his fair share of unusual and disturbing cases. They range from the bizarre to the heartbreaking: an LSU professor killed by a barn door; the bones of a young woman found scattered in a churchyard; and as many as three serial killers loose at one time under Cataldie's watch. He has worked the scene of one of the Malvo/ Muhammad Beltway Sniper shootings and had a hand in bringing to justice serial killer Derrick Todd Lee in a controversial investigation that was featured in an ABC Prime Time special with Diane Sawyer and Patricia Cornwell.

Coroner's Journal is an unflinching look at a world that television dramas such as CSI can only begin to show us.

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Just finished reading On The Wealth of Nations by PJ O'Rourke. Great book detailing Adam Smith's classic with just the right amount of quippage and jest for lightening up otherwise very heavy reading.

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Good to see you again, Greg, but what the fuck are you doing in my car?

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Number 6 wrote:
Good to see you again, Greg, but what the fuck are you doing in my car?

Thought I'd borrow it while you were in The Village.

BTW, finished The Prisoner series yesterday. Not a bad ending, though I wish I knew what he was trying to say during his speech he kept getting interrupted in.

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Lost_In_Translation wrote:
Number 6 wrote:
Good to see you again, Greg, but what the fuck are you doing in my car?

Thought I'd borrow it while you were in The Village.

BTW, finished The Prisoner series yesterday. Not a bad ending, though I wish I knew what he was trying to say during his speech he kept getting interrupted in.

How does that show end? Does he get off the Island? I remember he did in one episode, and then get captured and send back.

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Let's just say it ends on a transcendental note, with lots of metaphor and allegory and not so many explosions and high speed pursuits.

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Man, I haven't watched Fall Out in a couple of years. My fiancee is going to some sort of all-girl party Saturday; maybe I'll take a few hours to re-watch the last episodes. I don't remember the speech you're talking about. Is it when #6 is on trial?

*SPOILER ALERT*

As I remember, the point of the last episode is pretty much an abstract rendering of what McGoohan was getting at the whole time: The Village is society and it's myriad controls. Number 1 is ourselves. Number 1 is threatening for two reasons: it directs our acceptance of the village's prison-like aspects (think Freudian superego) and our own violent nature will be our undoing (the ape/missile thing, of course.) In the end, though, there may be no way out, and freedom comes not from escape, but perpetual struggle against the dehumanizing aspects of the village.

Or maybe its about washing your car. Or buying new curtains. I'm not sure.

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*more spoiler alert*
Well Number 6 wasn't really on trial, as his trial was with Number 2 in the previous episode, to see if he could maintain his individuality in the face of the Ultimate Test, which he did. He was congratulated for his resolve and given the opportunity to rule or leave as he saw fit. Those on trial were examples of individuals who upset society by their individuality, a young man rebelling against social norms and a former leader of society fighting against being ruled by society. They were deemed threats to society, as opposed to Number 6, who fought to remain apart, but not against society. Then, even as they were congratualating him and desiring a speech, when he tried to speak, he discovered that admiration didn't go so far as wanting to hear what he said, as they kept interrupting him. Frustrated, Number 6 demands to see Number 1 before he leaves, and upon finding number 1, sees himself reflected back and then starts the missile/rocket/whatever and frees the young man and former leader and issues the evacuation order to the village. I'm not sure about the meaning of the trip around England at the end, dropping people off and such, it seemed a bit frivolous, but maybe there was more to it.

Essentially, I saw this as saying while society may be against rebellion, the only way to preserve ourselves is to have such rebellion, such individualism, because accepting all of what society tells us removes any impetus for change and sets in motion decline and death. And its ourselves we have to fight against in falling into the trap of imposing such societal prisons on others. Its easy enough to rebel against the mold created by society, but its harder and much more important that we do not become the tyranny we're fighting against, creating a mold we expect others to fit in. Atleast, thats what I think the message was.

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Well, our reading of the episode is pretty much the same, even if my memory is faulty.

BTW-Did you ever hear about the reaction to Fall Out when it was first broadcast? McGoohan actually had to go into hiding for a while.

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Strange, but I guess if you went into it thinking you'd see a conventional escape and meet "Dr. Evil" as Number 1, you'd have been sorely dissappointed.

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I actually thought that Six was One early in the series. But I'm weird.

Here is a great find: McGoohan explains himself. Sort of.
http://hem.fyristorg.com/bd/tp/

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This is one reason I love McGoohan:

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Girl: How did you feel about the response to "The Prisoner" when it was first shown in Britain?

McGoohan: Delighted. I wanted to have controversy, argument, fights, discussions, people in anger waving first in my face saying, "How dare you? Why don't you do more 'Secret Agents' that we can understand?" I was delighted with that reaction. I think it's a very good one. That was the intention of the exercise.

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i laughed for a good few days after seeing the end of the prisoner (it was one of those unemployment things where i spent i think three days watching the series from front to back). it was so perfect, so ahead of its time.

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On a whim while in Borders, I picked up Hollow Earth: The Long and Curious History of Imagining Strange Lands, Fantastical Creatures, Advanced Civilizations, and Marvelous Machines From Beneath the Earth, by David Standish. It's basically what the subtitle says, a history of the idea that the Earth is hollow, and about past speculations about what might be inside, and apparently some attempts to put together an expedition and find out.

I'm only a couple chapters in, but it's full of the "No shit? I didn't know that" moments that make reading books about history fun. One of the early proponents of the hollow Earth theory was Edmund Halley (of comet fame); he proposed a series of revolving concentric spheres within the Earth to explain the phenomenon of geomagnetism (and he was sort of right, but not exactly). There was also the "discovery" of early physicists that the Earth is only about half as dense as the Moon (a deduction since found to be incorrect), sparking the speculation that the Earth must be about half hollow.

I'm also struck by how often scientists of olden times spouted off B.S. as if it were fact, on the flimsiest of reasoning, e.g., "For if the Earth be hollow, it only stands to reason that the interior must be inhabited; otherwise, for what conceivable purpose would such a vast volume exist? And if it be inhabited, the interior must also be illuminated in some way."

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the satanic verses. not as good as midnight's children, which i highly recommend to anyone who can tolerate magical realism. (some people really hate it, even if they read fantasy/sci fi books, which i think is kinda weird but whatever)

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I know we've talked about Orson Scott Card going bonkers and I understand that the later books in the "Alvin Maker" series declined in quality, but I've been rereading Seventh Son this weekend and it is a really, really cool book.

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Interestingly, I recently read a review of that Empire book that people were ridiculing the excerpt from that was actually mostly positive. The reviewer might have been an idiot, but it did sound like there was more than the "heroic Reds save America from rampaging Blues!" chest-beating going on.

I still wonder what's up with Card - whether he had an attack of super-Mormonism or just succumbed to pressure to be more "positive" from the church's POV.

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I'm working my way through the Four Novels of the 1960s by Philip K. Dick. I've finished The Man in the High Castle and The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, and I'm a few chapters into Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? I've liked everything so far, and the only problem I've encountered is Three Stigmata led me to this review by Michael Moorcock, and now I have to dislike Moorcock.

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I've found that everything non-fiction by Moorcock annoys the shit out of me and so avoid it. Some wannabe revolutionary SF writer/blogger (not Doctorow) linked to a 70s essay by him in the course of arguing why we have to get past the lame "rockets and aliens" stuff of old SF in favor of stories about, er, bloggers, and the Moorcock essay was even worse than that one. (In it, Moorcock went on dead seriously about how the pro-bourgeois attitudes about the hobbits in The Lord of the Ring made it fascist, among other things.)

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I haven't read a lot of Moorcock. As a teen I read Ice Schooner, which I barely remember, aside from the fact that worrying about how an ecology would work in a frozen-over world of no open oceans kept distracting me from the story.

I did read The Warlord of the Air alternate history a few times, and thought that was a really good book. I later bought that novel and a collection of its sequels in a single volume, A Nomad of the Time Streams, but I didn't really like the sequels so much. Also, in Moorcock's intro to ANotTS, he made some kind of swipe about a possible future return to feudalism, "but Margaret Thatcher already tried that." I try not to let an author's politics distract from my enjoyment of his story, but damn, it's really annoying to hear some old lefty who still hasn't got over the Reagan/Thatcher years. Not to mention calling government-reducing reforms "feudalism."

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The foreword he did for the recent The Adventures of Luther Arkwright collection was rather like that. Long paean to the golden age of British leftism, which was happy and joyous until the bastard right-wingers sabotaged it all, made leftism look bad, and then took over.

Yeeeeah.

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Dune

Path of Daggers

The Dragonbone Chair

And I've got some Poul Anderson on deck for when I finish one of those three.

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i'm reading a bunch of supreme court cases and stanley fish's essay collection "there ain't no such thing as free speech" for class. not too bad, though i do kinda want to slap him and shall (in essay form of course).

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Re-reading (and re-enjoying) "Declare" by Tim Powers (cold war + espionage + djinn).

I'm not going to say that all the cool kids read Powers, but I'm willing to bet that DONDEROOOOOOOOOOO!!! doesn't.

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I had started reading the Magus but between work and classes my free time has disappeared. So the only non-textbook I've read lately was "Mastering Bioinformatics For Perl". Wee.

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I'm pretty ambivalent about Tim Powers. Anubis Gates was fantastic, totally firing on all cylinders. But it seemed to me that Last Call and Expiration Date started strong and then got weak and weird in the last couple acts; they also turned the coolest female viewpoint characters into secondary hangers-on. I guess I have pretty strict expectations about how to handle showdowns of magic-in-the-real-world, and he didn't meet them. I need to check out some of his short stories.

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Issac Asimov's Caliban by Roger MacBride Allen.
So far not bad. Allen captures the descriptive stylizations of Asimov very well but his character development is far superior. Say what you will about Asimov's writing but creating empathetic characters was NOT one of his strong points.

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I've liked all the Tim Powers I've read, which hasn't been much. A friend lent me The Jennifer Morgue by Charles Stross, which I intend to start in on soon. Stross has some similarities to Powers, so if you like Powers, you might like him as well.

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Dune was a cool setup with annoyingly cardboardy characters. I really liked the setting, though. I might check out some of the sequels.

I reread a Jonathan Kellerman book over the weekend and came across a line saying something like "A picture showed her to be substantially obese. The detective had misrecorded her weight as 107 instead of 187." FUCK YOU KELLERMAN I HOPE YOU GET DICK ROT.

Now reading Three Hearts and Three Lions.

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What if she's like 5'2"?

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Exactly. Sure, a short woman at around 190 pounds won't be Twiggy unless her skeleton is made of depleted uranium. Depending on how she carried it, she'd be curvy or plump or overweight. "Substantially obese"? Give me a fucking break. I'm 5'4" and at that weight I had a bit of a gut, great boobs, sexy curves and an ass to die for. I wasn't modeling for Victoria's Secret, but if anyone had called me obese I would have snapped them in half. And then eaten them.

I suspect in his case it's not the bodybuilder-forum mindset ("omg you weigh 135 you are pretty thick do some cardio fatty") but that weird common misconception that a 200-pound woman is an elephant. Erin at the Redhead Papers* did it recently: "She was about five-three and probably running close to two hundred pounds. She was a sphere. A circle. A globe." And I remember a story Camryn Manheim told about going for an audition where they were looking for a "fat woman, around 200 pounds" and when she showed up they said, "No, you're not heavy enough, you don't weigh 200 pounds" and she was all, "The hell I don't!"

So anyway, to sum up: a 200-pound woman is probably noticeably overweight unless she's really tall or really ripped. But she's not a jiggling blimpoid. The end! Back to books!

* - originally misattributed. Sorry, Gwen!

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i wrestled a 200 lb woman once.

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it's too bad, 300 lbs is the cutoff for being a male fatty. I am, sadly, a male fatty, even though I'm 6'3".

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as a backstory to that story i think it's important to note that she was drunk and i had only maybe 55 lbs on her at that point, so it was one of those things where someone's wrestling and you're mostly trying to make sure they don't hurt themselves AND that they don't wail on your nuts because drunk women think that's hilarious for some reason.

ok yeah it's funny if it happens to someone else.

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There was actually a 265 lb heavyweight wrestler girl in my state when I was in high school. Thank god she wasn't in my conference and/or good enough to make the state tournament.

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yeah cause i'd be all like "oh god don't touch her boobs don't touch her boobs don't touch her boobs"

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I finished Ubik today. Of the four books in the anthology, it was by far the strangest. That's not a complaint, though, since I like books that give me "what the hell is going on" chills. I will have to think about it more, but I don't think it's possible to reconcile all happenings and guess what "really" happened. Given that seems to have been Dick's goal, he succeeded. Now on to The Magus.

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oh god haw haw haw haw

have fun!

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dhex wrote:
oh god haw haw haw haw

have fun!

I am concerned that there is something amusing about my choice of reading material.

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"Great Feuds in Science" by Hal Hellman.

Lately I've been picking up a lot of science books for the layman at Barnes and Noble. This one seems OK. It's not clear just how significant these feuds were, though. A lot of them are more like disputes over credit rather than disputes over the validity of a theory. Still, an OK read for the bus in the morning.

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I just checked out a giganto stack of anthologies of early Nebula award-winning novelettes and short stories.

I love it. First, there's the great writing. Second, you get awesome scenes like in "The Doors of His Face, The Lamps of His Mouth" by Zelazny, where humanity has spaceships and offworld colonies and a multiplanetary existance, and then one of the characters whips out a slide rule.

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I just finished Cellophane by Marie Arana. Kind of a Gabriel Garcia Marquez knockoff, but a good one.

Now onto The Jennifer Morgue by Charles Stross.

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Ellie wrote:
I just checked out a giganto stack of anthologies of early Nebula award-winning novelettes and short stories.

I love it. First, there's the great writing. Second, you get awesome scenes like in "The Doors of His Face, The Lamps of His Mouth" by Zelazny, where humanity has spaceships and offworld colonies and a multiplanetary existance, and then one of the characters whips out a slide rule.


Well, that story was deliberately anachronistic - he was writing about a habitable, oceanic Venus when it was already well known that the planet is an acidic, hyper-pressurized Hell. The slide rule reference might have been similarly retro. :)

(At the same time, he wrote a story about a dying race on a habitable Mars that was also scientifically obsolete. I think those were two of three he wrote in a marathon session after his dad died.)

But yeah, it wasn't really until the mid or late 70s that writers started thinking about how micro-computers could penetrate daily life. About the earliest were some Asimov stories where "the Internet" was represented by a single uber-computer that had terminals people could use in every home and everywhere you'd expect a phone booth.

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Yeah, it could have been deliberate in that instance, but I do love seeing how close or far the guesses of the future panned out in the hard science stories.

I also think the two purposes for which Asimov was put on this earth were to write science fiction stories and edit science fiction anthologies. I love his perceptive, rambling, slightly full-of-himself introductions to all the stories.

Also, I had never read or even heard of "When It Changed" by Joanna Russ. Holy shit, that's good writing.

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I love Earthman, Come Home by James Blish. Written in 1956, set in 3000-something (aboard New York City, which has been outfitted with a force field/ antigravity/hyperdive thingy and become a nomad city among the stars).

The characters are always fiddling with their slide rules, and there's one reference to the carriage return mechanism on a mechanical typewriter. And at one point a character gets annoyed with an overly literal computer (it keeps answering all his rhetorical questions) and threatens, "I'll bust all your [vacuum] tubes!"

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Oh, indeed. :)

In a more modern example, I remember some stories Harry Turtledove write in the 80s set over a thousand years in the future. (Yes, he's done things beside alt-history! :) ) In one novel-length tale in the setting, a report on an alien planet's cultural evolution that turned out to be seriously important was stored on a disk that the protagonist carried in his pocket. And yes, when it was serialized in Analog, the cover illo for the story had the guy brandishing something that looked rather like an old 5.25" floppy.

(To be fair, there were Forces At Work in the story that would have blocked sending the file over the "net", but still.)

Depicting advanced technology and its ubiquity is a serious problem for SF. Something like The Diamond Age stands out as a remarkably good attempt, but usually imagination fails. Trying to predict is nigh impossible, if only become some things turn out to be harder or easier than thought at the time. I remember a number of stories from the 50s and 60s where even the most advanced computers couldn't be smaller than a room, but they could perform virtually any calculation or search, no matter how complex, instantly - and that's if they weren't also sentient.

That sort of mis-prediction does have a charm, though. :)

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Ellie wrote:
I also think the two purposes for which Asimov was put on this earth were to write science fiction stories and edit science fiction anthologies.

Asimov wrote stories and edited anthologies ALL THE TIME.

That's what I call REAL ULTIMATE POWER!!!!!

Also, Asimov was here to write groan-inducing puns and dirty limericks. The Sensual Dirty Old Man is a must-read.

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I finished The Magus today. I enjoyed it for the most part, and I can tell my brain will be thinking about it in the background for a while. Now to Midnight's Children.

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I'm almost finished with The Cardinal of the Kremlin by Tom Clancy. FUN FACT: Russians are stodgy, rigid, closeminded sardine-eating jerks to a man! Politicians are weaselly losers who make dumb mistakes and get good men killed! And the American military is the best thing ever, ever! Seriously, go find a soldier and suck him off right now!

But seriously, once the plot gets going, it's not bad.

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FUN FACT: Russians are stodgy, rigid, closeminded sardine-eating jerks to a man!

Pffft. That's silly. Everybody knows Russians can't afford sardines.

Replace it with "scrawny amateur porn actors" and he'd be on the money, though.

/me is bad.

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* thinks of amateur porn starring the likes of Putin, Brezhnev ... soul dies *

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hey ac:

sorry i didn't get back to you sooner, but can you see why i laughed about going from ubik to the magus?

midnight's children is excellent btw.

i'm reading rites and symbols of initiation by mircea eliade for no good reason (picked it at random).

now this text is a good follow up to the magus, since that's all about initiation.

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dhex wrote:
hey ac:
sorry i didn't get back to you sooner, but can you see why i laughed about going from ubik to the magus?

midnight's children is excellent btw.

i'm reading rites and symbols of initiation by mircea eliade for no good reason (picked it at random).
now this text is a good follow up to the magus, since that's all about initiation.

Yeah, I got the joke once I reached Nicholas's first night at Conchis's.

I'm still trying to remember where I've encountered the "judgment" scene before. It's very familiar, but I can't place it.

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I'm reading Middlesex by Jeffrey Eugenides which means that I am totally inn tune with the Oprah Book Club.

So far it is quite good.

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I read Cryptonomicon, then promptly devoured Quicksilver through the Con-fusion, before realizing that the books are ordered differently in different volumes. Ugh. So, I have gone back to Quicksilver and King of the Vagabonds while Odilesque is on order from my local shitty bookstore. I would recommend re-reading this series once you have gotten into it a bit, it makes the earlier books (and the flash-backs, -forwards, and -sidewayses) more coherent. I understand the complaints about weak endings, but the whole series is really contiguous if you finish one and can start the next right away. It smells like a set of long novels that were broken up for easier publishing, deadlines etc.

I want to read Spook Country (William Gibson) but I had to give up hardcovers long ago if there was any hope of me affording enough books to satisfy me. I'll wait until January for the trade paperback, or softcover.

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I am reading an autobiography by Dwight D. Eisenhower called At Ease: Stories I Tell to My Friends. I somehow inherited it from my grandmother about a year or two ago, and finally cracked it open, basically out of desperation at having to new books to read, and am finding myself quite interested. So far it has covered his hometown, family, schooling, and attendance at West Point. It is quite interesting to read about life around the turn of the century, especially family life, approaches to business, and schooling.

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I'm still trying to remember where I've encountered the "judgment" scene before. It's very familiar, but I can't place it.

kafka.

it's fairly primordial as well. that innate sense that somewhere there's a force that watches without being watched and judges beyond judgement.

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dhex wrote:
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I'm still trying to remember where I've encountered the "judgment" scene before. It's very familiar, but I can't place it.

kafka.

it's fairly primordial as well. that innate sense that somewhere there's a force that watches without being watched and judges beyond judgement.

I think we're talking about different scenes; I'm not sure which scene you are referring to. I'm talking about the trial near the end with the masks and such. I don't recall anything like that from Kafka.

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yeah cause i'd be all like "oh god don't touch her boobs don't touch her boobs don't touch her boobs"

Late to the game on this, but back in JV wrestling, I watched the 130lb (or somewhere around there) weight class which had one girl from some hick school kick almost everyone's ass and got second, and what I think most guys feared was she was going to mash their nuts all the fuck up.
With other guys, there's an unspeaken code of honor, "You don't hurt my balls, I won't crush your balls," but women wrestlers have none of that honor!
Why, they will even take advantage of the poor young men who "accidently" sport boners as a result of all that rubbing and grinding and then use their feminine wiles to pin said gentleman!
No honor indeed...
Oh, and I was in the under 110lb class, so no I was not a poor victim of this temptress...

Oh, and I'm reading some out-of-print Magic: The Gathering books by Clayton Emery...meh, they were good when I first read one of them in 6th grade (dude, this has got boobies! and gore!) but now...they didn't age that well...

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I'm talking about the trial near the end with the masks and such.

right, same here.

it reminds me of the trial quite a bit, with poor old josef's own private divine comedy played out only with murderous sad sacks and trickster gods and nary a beatrice in sight.

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When Fin Fang Foom complained about the "wrong geometry" of his home and workplace in the "irritating" thread, I made a reference to Michael Moorcock's Warlord of the Air, and that reminded me of something else I hate about Moorcock.

Warlord of the Air is set in an alternate imperialist 1970s, and there's one character who is kind of like a Boy Scout scoutmaster. The organization is actually named the Young Rough Riders or something like that, but anyway. This character is:

1) Fat.
2) A petty tyrant. The little power he has as a scoutmaster goes to his head. It makes him an excessively fussy airship passenger.
3) Extremely excitable, to the point of being basically prone to hysteria.
4) Virulently racist -- he has a meltdown when he has to eat in an airship dining room where "N-words" are present. (I think it's because British airships aren't segregated like the American ones the character is used to, or something.) This drives him to blows with an airship officer.

I have an early 1970s edition of Warlord of the Air, and I can't remember the name of the character in that edition. But a few years ago I bought another version of the novel, as part of the collection A Nomad of the Timestreams. And in the updated version, Moorcock renames the character "Reagan."

I think he mentions that the character has a potato-like nose or face, but otherwise doesn't change the description.

Obviously this character is supposed to be a swipe at an alternate history's Ronald Reagan, but come on. Do any of the characteristics listed above even sound like a good caricature of Reagan's traits?

It would be one thing if he were to portray the character of Reagan as drifty, somnambulant, possessed of a corny sense of humor, prone to exaggeration, forgetful, an unreliable witness, possessed of a tendency to delegate a little too much, maybe a little lazy, unintellectual, perhaps having a slight Oedipal complex, superstitious, maybe even a little too ready to jump into a fight in a bluff, blustery Irish/cowboy way.

But a fussy, dictatorial, excitable, violent racist? It's a cheap shot to equate "opposed to affirmative action" with "violent racist." And the rest just doesn't fit at all. It's like portraying Jimmy Carter as a drooling sadistic backstabber, or Ted Kennedy as a teetotalling, holier-than-thou puritanical religious fanatic.

Moorcock tried to score a cheap point against those he despises on the political Right, and he did it in such a very lazy and dishonest way that the episode isn't even an acceptable satirical allegory. I found this irritating in the extreme.

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If you have eye-rolling muscles you want to strain, Stevo, you'll want to look into Moorcock's old 70s essay on the New Wave and the need to cleanse science fiction of the icky-bourgeois-fascist crap that had been written by, well, pretty much everyone in his eyes up until the likes of his compatriots rode onto the scene...

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That was the rambliest sentence I've written in some time.

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And yet, it worked.

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everyone i know speaks of mr. moorcock in the same light; how did he get so popular if his sole claim to current fame is being a cockhole?

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A lot of his fiction is pretty good, dhex.

Another laff riot is his forward to The Adventures of Luther Arkwright. He goes on about how the British Left was so damned awesome in the 60s, but then the evil right-wingers sabotaged it and things weren't so great in the 70s (through no fault of the Left's) - and then She-Satan became prime minister as the culmination of their evil plans!

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dhex wrote:
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I'm talking about the trial near the end with the masks and such.

right, same here.

it reminds me of the trial quite a bit, with poor old josef's own private divine comedy played out only with murderous sad sacks and trickster gods and nary a beatrice in sight.

Ah. I mean I recall some of the same masks and the reading of the protagonist's shortcomings--not just a scene that's similar or reminiscent, but a nearly identical trial.

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ahhhhhh.

well, hmmm.

i will have to do some thunking on this.

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I just bought a copy of The Magus at a book sale tonight. So yeah now I have to read that.

I also found a long-sought-after copy of the film Naked Lunch which I haven't seen in about 12 years. Looking forward to seeing that again sometime.

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I just finished Standing In the Rainbow by Fannie Flagg and have started Can't Wait To Get To Heaven. I super-seriously love them for reals and they are now on my shortlist of favorite books. I don't know that anyone else here would like them, since they're very "yay for Southern small towns and apple pie and church suppers and charming human foibles" type books. But they're totally making me want to become a pharmacist in a tiny town and have a Victory garden and twelve kids.

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Argh, gardening. I just got through working in my garden, and I still have more to do today. That whole thing about how gardening is relaxing and puts you in touch with the world and yourself? Crap. Gardening is a great way to feel like the entire world is out to get you. The weather is your enemy, weeds will choke your garden, the Aves, Mammalia, and Insecta are busily eating or destroying everything you grow, and even the plants you've chosen and lovingly nurtured will just up and die on you for no reason. And the cost for this joy is hours of backbreaking physical labor. *sigh* Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

EDIT: Oh, and should you need to buy manure or mulch or whatever...sure, it looks cheap, per bag. Then you realize one (40-pound) bag covers an area of approximately one bag, requiring you to spend hundreds of dollars and carry hundreds of pounds around...black plastic sheeting is looking more and more appealing.

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Currently burrowing through American Gods. More when I finish, but so far so good.

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I love American Gods more than words can say. Let us know what you think of it!

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Yeah, American Gods and Neverwhere were really my favorites from him. I haven't even bothered to read Anansi Boys. Got to much Neal Stephenson to get through. I'm on the last trio from the Baroque Cycle right now.

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Not so much me, but a buddy of mine found a place that has free books on tape of cool old fiction, including Edgar Rice Boroughs, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and H. P. Lovecraft.

Thought that might be of interest to somebody around here.

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I just started Confederacy of Dunces. Is it a slow starter, or is the entire book in the same vein as the first few chapters? Because right now I'm not totally