Just finished Fallout 1 last weekend...damn that was depressing but really good.
They did an awesome job creating the atmosphere of extreme desolation. Especially the music...yeah, a lot of wind but geez it really got in my head that everything was dead, dying, or horribly f***ed up.
Am about to start Fallout 2 pretty soon and hope it keeps up the good work.
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Fallout 2 is one of the best games ever made. Period.
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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well the end is sort of unfinished but it is damn good.
"Yeah, but my character would be all swav and deboner." - Warren
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Fallout 3 is supposed to finally come out in Q4. Hopefully it won't suck (it's by Bethesda, makers of the Elder Scrolls games).
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i am curious and optimistically hopeful, but on the other hand oblivion had a lot of really obvious holes.
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Morrowind was better than Oblivion in many respects. But you can't break Oblivion by flying. The issue with both of those games is you can basically always win by being sneaky. Which is somewhat realistic, I guess, but I don't like an open-ended game with a dominant strategy.
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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well, being somewhat sneaky is more helpful in morrowind than oblivion, i think. but the combat was so much better in oblivion, which may have been the only thing it did right. (that and fast travel. if you have a huge map, and your name isn't STALKER, then fast travel it is. stalker gets a pass because it's fucking stalker, yo.)
needless to say i tend to go back and forth on what this means for fallout.
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You tell being somewhat sneaky it isn't helpful in Oblivion when I can pwn the Arena at like 10th level without taking any damage by having a chameleon ring and a 50 in marksman. Fast Travel was THE BEST addition to Oblivion, THE BEST. Eliminating flying kind of bit it, but getting rid of Mark/Recall was probably the most annoying hit. Also, that you can break the game with the Cowl of Nocturnal is a little lame. Of course, I like murdering people in videogames so putting that on and killing every guard in a major city is pretty fun. On the whole, though, I actually liked the game pretty well. The combat was better than in Morrowind, the enemies scaled better with you so that you didn't get to level 13 and win (seriously, in Morrowind at level 13 I saved, then killed Vivec just to see if I could), but the world feels less rich even if it is larger and the main story is more annoying than anything else (seriously, fuck closing those Oblivion gates, guh).
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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I wanted to like Oblivion, but I hate the levelling system. You have to actually spend time counting how many times you've swung your sword or whathave you. If you use your primary skills too much, you regress relative to the rest of the game. I found all that terribly annoying. So much so that I quickly gave up. It doesn't allow for any sort of immersion.
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You do have to be pretty judicious about how you use your skills, it is harder to max out everything in Oblivion than it was in Morrowind.
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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Frank-
I'm on my second go-around through Fallout 1.
Protip:
Whatever you do, after you find the water chip, don't go back to the water merchants and tell them to send water to your Vault. Because that will re-set the count down as if you'd never found the chip in the first place.
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According to a lot of FAQs on Fallout, the countdown never really stops because the SuperMutants are still looking for Vault 13 the whole time, it's just that the Water Merchants give them a huge heads up/speeds the rate they will find Vault 13 "naturally."
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Yes, it's true that after you find the Water Chip the mutants will continue looking for Vault 13, but the rate is much more lackadaisical.
That said, it's very easy to waste a bunch of time wandering around the wastelands getting into random adventures.
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I have defeated Fallout!
Huzzah for me!
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And I just defeated Fallout 2...yeah! Awesomeness all around!
My version had problems with the music (none played at all...except for say cut-scenes)...but maybe that was a good thing since it took so long to complete I probably would've had to stop...
Reason, the desolation you feel after playing Fallout 1 is pretty damn complete, but at least it was a short and awesome game...I don't think I could've done all of Fallout 2 with just as desolate a soundtrack...I at least felt as if the worst of the Post-Apocalypse was over playing Fallout 2 since places like Vault City and NCR at least showed that we can re-build, if imperfectly, from the ashes.
I know I repeat that word, but Fallout 1 was DESOLATION. All the blacked, burned out buildings. The desert that you cross for ages seemingly without any living thing except for the corruptions of the war. But it was the music that really put across the tone the creators wanted...
Especially The Glow's music...with all those corpses, the constant danger of background radiation, and that perfectly melancholic music that made you feel like you were just as dead and poisoned as that place...DESOLATION.
SPOILERS AHEAD!!!!! DO NOT READ IF YOU WANT TO COMPLETE THE GAME YOUSELF AND SHIT!!!
YOU BE WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey MG, how did you complete it? Set off the bomb, attack/kill the master, or cause The Master suicide?
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I fought The Master directly and killed him, then trucked off to the Military Base and took on the Super Mutants.
All of my NPC's got killed off, though. Except for Tandi. I returned her to Shady Sands before attacking The Master.
Also, I agree with you about the utter feelings of desolation that the game imparts. The music, the art direction, everything was just perfect. Enough so that it was almost depressing at times.
And the Glow is easily one of the freakiest game locations of any video game, ever. Never could beat the computer at Chess, though.
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More SPOILAGE
I did the military base first, then backtracked to the cathedral and lit the bomb.
Of course, I took my sweet time backtracking a lot (like I do with all RPGs I play), so in the end, Shady Sands was wiped out, the Necropolis was already cleansed of ghouls by the time I was ready to try to complete the ?water/generator? quest. Hub destroyed, as well as that good cult/brotherhood.
The only good part, I guess, was Vault 13 came out okay...but the Overseer ostracized me (as all win game scenarios have).
Pretty much a downer, but still felt like I accomplished a great feat...or something...
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Installed Fallout2 last night and played for a bit.
I had the same problem with no music that you mentioned. However, I found that you can edit the fallout2.cfg file that's in the main directory, and just point it to the folder with all the music files in it, and that fixed it.
I had to edit the "music_path1=" entry to get it to work.
So the edited line reads
music_path1=D:\Program Files\BlackIsle\Fallout2\data\sound\music\
For whatever reason, the music files weren't in the main sound directory, but hidden in the data folder.
First impressions: Fallout 2 is way harder than Fallout 1. I keep dying on an almost continual basis, and have yet to find a place where I can get healing items that don't cost four times what I've got.
At this point, I'm scared of the stupid geckos.
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Here's a hint/spoiler, try sleeping a lot, or try hiring Sulik ASAP, or go to The Den for some missions with some $$$ for Sulik and eventually (SPOILER)
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Also, Geckos are frigging tough man.
I died and my partners died a lot at their slippery hands.
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SpoilerS!
Yeah, I hit the base first first time I played through. I always tend to play ready for combat types so I killed th Master.
If you haven't, play the game with the perk "godawful mess" or whatever its called.
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there's a forum whose name escapes me now that had a huge ironman fallout thread. it was filled with a lot of hilariously early deaths.
fallout 3 is probably going to be disappointing.
edit: bingo -
www.rpgcodex.net/
phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=19296&highlight=ironman
broken up to avoid trackbacks cause, like, it's the fucking codex, yo.
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Fallout 3 may be the final thing that pushes me into buying an Xbox 360.
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I was leaning in an Xbox360 direction, but this got me headed back to the PC. Also, basically everything else I want to play...so upgrade the PC it is.
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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I've actually been thinking the opposite because it seems like all the really interesting games coming out for the PC have really obnoxious DRM that would install who-knows-what on my computer.
Bah. I remember when copy protection was a mild annoyance, not a form of malware .
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fwiw, i haven't had any problems with any drm scheme, and i've bought more than a few aaa titles over the past few years. but i can understand that worry, to be sure.
then again, steam is very helpful in this regard in terms of being unobtrusive. so i never ran into the problems other users had with bioshock, etc.
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FWIW, I was having a super hard time with the game until I started doing the missions in Redding. Once I cleared through Redding, I came out the other side with enough additional levels to be able to do some serious damage and enough money that I don't have to worry about buying stuff.
Spoiler:
I found the whale and pot of daisies.
That left me laughing for about two minutes straight.
Also, Cassidy is still carrying the daisies.
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Yeah, I've heard good things about Steam, and Stardock is rather nice. But it's titles like Bioshock that I've avoided lately because of that distrust.
I could set up a games-only Windows partition, I suppose. At home, games are 90% of what I do in Windows anyway...
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Yeah, no shit. I got Lock-On Gold for Christmas, and *don't* have the included Flaming Cliffs expansion installed solely because of Starforce.
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i have to say i really like steam, it's gotten me to buy a bunch of stuff i missed the first time around, as well as bigger titles like bioshock, etc.
"Yeah, but my character would be all swav and deboner." - Warren
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Got me to buy Hexen and Hexen 2 as well as the original Orange Box of Half-Life 1, Blue Shift, Opposing Forces, and Team Fortress Classic.
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Glad to hear about Redding getting you up to snuff.
Also, I got Monty Python's Bridge of Death...if you are confronted with it, just go back to the movie for the solution... :)
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yeah you get pretty dope armor from that one, too.
"Yeah, but my character would be all swav and deboner." - Warren