Book ownership

Ellie's picture

Do you prefer to buy books instead of checking them out, borrowing them from friends, reading only what's on Project Gutenberg, listening to them on Audible, etc? Do you own a lot of books? If you do, why do you feel this desperate insane need to hoard bound dead trees?

(Astute readers may ascertain that I, a non-book-buyer, am trying to help David, a hopeless packrat, move. "You can't tell me you want to keep ALL of these. Look, this one's by Dr. Dobson!" "It was a gift!" Help us save our friendship! :P )

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Ellie wrote:
Do you prefer to buy books instead of checking them out, borrowing them from friends, reading only what's on Project Gutenberg, listening to them on Audible, etc? Do you own a lot of books? If you do, why do you feel this desperate insane need to hoard bound dead trees?

I prefer to buy books, unless they are available for free on-line. Audio books put me to sleep, unless they involve thinking (i.e., no audio novels for me). Do I own lots of books? It depends on what you mean by "a lot". I'd say I have quite a few, not to mention my good old personal library back in Egypt, which I really miss and wish to bring here gradually.

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Timothy's picture

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I also prefer buying, but only because I hate interacting with random service people enough that going to the library seems to constitute some sort of huge hassle.

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I used to buy, but the bookshelves are now overflowing into the garage. So these days I prefer to use the library. Unless I absolutely must own the book.

Ellie's picture

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Ali wrote:
Do I own lots of books? It depends on what you mean by "a lot". I'd say I have quite a few, not to mention my good old personal library back in Egypt, which I really miss and wish to bring here gradually.

I'd say "a lot" is "more than one regular bookshelf's worth." And obviously I make an exception for things that you can't find in a library and plan to reread at some point in your life.

Kwix's picture

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When we moved here we had 11,000lbs of crap.
Total furniture: One queen sized bed, one china hutch, two sewing machines in cabinets, one low bookcase and a desk.
For those keeping track, that's maybe 2000lbs max. Anybody want to take a shot at guessing what the vast majority of the remaining 5.5tons of stuff was??

So, yes, we buy book and keep them all. At last count we were running somewhere around 3,000 volumes, not counting maybe another 1,000 reference books we had not cataloged. Dead trees are addictive but I can quit any time I want.

Fin Fang Foom 3000's picture

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I don't know exactly how many books I have, but in my last apartment I had about 90 feet of full book shelf space (no double shelving or anything), which I have yet to fully replace in my new and much tinier apartment.

Number 6's picture

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I buy or go to the library Mrs. 6 and I have a fair number of books. We have a library room with several 6 foot bookshelves, and three or four 3 footers, all of which are overflowing. I recently bought a 5 foot bookcase for the living room, which was filled to overflowing almost instantly. (To be fair, one shelf is full of DVDs). There are a number of boxes of books in the garage and basement full of books.
I don't consider that a lot of books, though. I once dated a girl whose professor parents had covered literally every wall in their home-including those in the stairways and bathrooms-with bookshelves, all of which were overflowing.

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Andrew's picture

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I use the library whenever possible. The only books I buy are gifts for other people or books that I know I will read many times. I would like to own more than I do, but at this point in my life, I still move with alarming frequency, and I refuse to move a huge amount of dead trees every time.

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Ellie wrote:
Ali wrote:
Do I own lots of books? It depends on what you mean by "a lot". I'd say I have quite a few, not to mention my good old personal library back in Egypt, which I really miss and wish to bring here gradually.

I'd say "a lot" is "more than one regular bookshelf's worth." And obviously I make an exception for things that you can't find in a library and plan to reread at some point in your life.

So I'd say I have a lot.

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dead_elvis's picture

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I wish I could have kept more over the years, but I've moved too much. I have about two big boxes that I've kept. Almost all books from undergrad are gone, but I still have my books from grad school. For personal reading, I've always primarily used libraries. Which is a problem because then the memory fades and you can't just skim through a book to remind yourself.

Maybe I just don't have good enough concentration, but I tried an audio book once on a car trip and couldn't stand it. I kept missing a crucial half-sentence and having to rewind all the time. It also doesn't give you any time to think about anything you've "read"/heard.

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Rachel's picture

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I have to own my books. Because I've moved around so much the past few years, I've never had all my books in one place. Slowly, I am fixing that problem, because I have a book room in tihs apartment. I'd say I have about 2/3rd of my book collection here. It doesn't matter how often I actually look at 90% of the these books, because what if one day I need/want a specific book and it's not there?

I also learned that when setting up bookshelves you should decide where you want them before you fill them with books. Because if you're 5'3, moving a 6 foot tall bookshelf that is filled with books is not going to happen.

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JD's picture

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I guess by many people's standards I own "a lot" of books. It doesn't seem like a lot to me, because I grew up in an apartment where books were the primary decor element: the walls were basically covered in books. I've got two barrister bookcases full, plus a smaller bookcase, plus some overflow.

I'm trying to cut back, but it's not easy. I'm always fighting with what I should keep and what I should give away. "I can't get rid of this - it's a classic! Hey stupid, if it's a 'classic', you'll always be able to find it again. I can't get rid of this one, it's personally inscribed to me by the author. So what? You didn't even like it. But - but - my books..."

Stevo Darkly's picture

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In my youth I spent a lot of time in the library. But nowadays, if I want to read a book, I tend to buy it and almost never check out books from the library because:

1) I like to re-read books, so it's worth my while to own them.

2) The real cool and popular books at the library are often checked out, at least when they first come out. Oh, you can request them, which means you can get put on a waiting list to see them in a few weeks or months. But I hate waiting for a book I want to read.

3) A lot of the books I want to read are paperbacks, and those are either not available, or at least hard to find, at the library.

4) It's a lot easier to find a book on amazon.com compared to physically locating it in the library or bookstore.

As for how many books I own, I have filled two 7' x 3' bookshelves and have enough to almost fill a third one, if I had a third one. That's probably really not all that many, because much of my nonfiction reading needs are filled by reading stuff online. (But that's all shorter-than-book-length material.

Also, a lot of my owned books tend to be either SF paperbacks or oversized illustration-heavy books (about art, illustration, animals, and prehistoric life, mostly).

JD wrote:
I'm trying to cut back, but it's not easy. I'm always fighting with what I should keep and what I should give away. "I can't get rid of this - it's a classic! Hey stupid, if it's a 'classic', you'll always be able to find it again. I can't get rid of this one, it's personally inscribed to me by the author. So what? You didn't even like it. But - but - my books..."

This is always a trying situation. Friends of mine rank throwing out a book as only slightly less difficult than throwing out a kitten or a baby. As they used to say, "It's a book, not a choice."

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dhex's picture

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i have a lot of books. or rather i should say we have a lot of books. in a small 1br apartment.

a lot being five 7' tall by various widths (4 to 6 feet) shelves, plus two smaller shelves (18" x 4').

there are fucking books everywhere. if she'd let me get rid of tv we'd have room for another seven footer at least.

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I generally buy or borrow, having a weird aversion to libraries. I like to browse at home for stuff to reread. I also am sort of collecting hardback printings of Clifford Simak novels.

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Dangerman's picture

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Would anyone here be up for a book swap? We could list titles we have, or want to read, and PM details for swaps between the interested parties. Is there already a good site for this somewhere? (there must be.) It just seems like we have a bunch of like-minded people who all complain of having to many books, so my mind went 1+1 = book swap.....

OTOH, I know that giving mailing addresses and such creeps a lot of folks out, and rightly so, but I thought I would at least put the idea into the aether.

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Dangerman's picture

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Once again, Google is my friend.

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lunchstealer's picture

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That's a good idea, but I've had to put myself on a moratorium from borrowing other peoples' things. When I had my friend's copy of Ubik for a year and a half that was one thing, but when my friends loaned me "Dancer in the Dark" and got it back after 6 years and three 100+mile moves, I declared myself unfit to borrow.

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Jadagul's picture

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Well, I don't feel like I have a lot of books. Looking around, I seem to have about seven shelves' worth, plus one or two shelves scattered around the floor which I haven't put away yet.

On the other hand, this is my college dorm room. That's all that will fit. At home just my room has about six wide shelves of books (two double-shelved), plus three or four full boxes of books in the closet. And the family has a few walls full; I wouldn't be surprised if we had 10,000 altogether. Though I freely admit that that particular number is wholly autoproctological.

Solitudinarian's picture

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I prefer to buy books since I tend to reread them quite often. This puts me in the unfortunate situation of having to schlep some 1,300 books around when moving. However, the government will be moving them for me this time around - which means I'll probably never see my books again.

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Dangerman wrote:
It just seems like we have a bunch of like-minded people who all complain of having to many books, so my mind went 1+1 = book swap.....

Who's complaining??? :D

I need to make some bookshelves for the spare bedroom now that we have it painted. I refuse to purchase WalMart $30 bookcases any longer. The last batch I bought had barely enough "backerboard" to nail to the shelves and they fell apart, I kid you not, as we were sliding them into place before any books were at roost.

Besides, with custom building I can incorporate places to showcase other stuff plus give it a steampunky/victorian feel.

mk's picture

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Growing up a military brat I got used to throwing things out. I have thrown out many books over the years.

I wish I could say that I never regretted it, but I have. I've thrown out books that I would kill to still have today.

Shem's picture

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I can't handle used books. What if somebody used the book to kill someone?

People think I'm joking when I say that, but some things just develop souls after a certain age. Books are one of them. I never even used to throw away books; I'd give them to the library, or bury them if they were too far gone. Eventually I ran out of space and had to cremate them, but I still never threw them away.

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Jennifer's picture

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I'm definitely a book junkie, and it doesn't help that I live surrounded by thrift stores and library sales where you can pick up volumes for a dime or a quarter apiece. I just did a quick count: Jeff and I have 14 bookcases in our apartment, ranging from little three-shelf jobs to an eight-foot-high monstrosity bolted to the wall. (Fifteen bookcases, if you count my cookbook collection in our kitchen.)

As of a month ago, I'm trying to reduce the cubic footage of books we own; I make at least one trip a week to the thrift store, and donate as many books as I can carry in my arms. Baby steps. Baby steps.

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Okay, here's a philosophical debate for which I'd like your advice: as I mentioned, I'm trying to reduce the number of books I own. Jeff and I have a debate on paper vs. hardback: I say if you have two or more copies of a book, you keep the hardcover and dispose of the paperback, on the grounds that the hardback is nicer and lasts longer. Jeff prefers to keep the paperback on the grounds that it's lighter. What do you guys think?

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Jennifer wrote:
Okay, here's a philosophical debate for which I'd like your advice: as I mentioned, I'm trying to reduce the number of books I own. Jeff and I have a debate on paper vs. hardback: I say if you have two or more copies of a book, you keep the hardcover and dispose of the paperback, on the grounds that the hardback is nicer and lasts longer. Jeff prefers to keep the paperback on the grounds that it's lighter. What do you guys think?

Hardcovers are to keep till you die, only lending them to trusted friends. Paperbacks are for reading once and passing on to somebody else with no expectation of it returning. Back in the dark ages, Jeffs logic would have meant keeping the cassettes and tossing the vinyl.

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Jennifer's picture

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Oooh, I like the vinyl-cassette quote, and may use it soon.

D.A. Ridgely's picture

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Bearing in mind that some paperbacks are trade (vs mass market) and are better bound using better stock than some really cheaply made modern hardbacks, I agree. The only and very small point here being that one might prefer to keep a well made Scribner's trade paperback of a Hemingway or Faulkner novel over some really cheap hardcover copies I've seen.

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You keep both. IT'S A BOOK, NOT A CHOICE.

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Rachel's picture

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Stevo Darkly wrote:
You keep both. IT'S A BOOK, NOT A CHOICE.

What Stevo said.

That, or you give the copies you're getting rid of to me!

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Jennifer's picture

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In all seriousness, Rachel, I would LOVE nothing more than to be able to tell somebody "Okay, on X date I'll have over a thousand books for you to have absolutely free; the only catch is, YOU have to pick them up. And take them ALL with you."

J sub D's picture

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Jennifer wrote:
In all seriousness, Rachel, I would LOVE nothing more than to be able to tell somebody "Okay, on X date I'll have over a thousand books for you to have absolutely free; the only catch is, YOU have to pick them up. And take them ALL with you."

Wouldn't a used book store do that? I don't know if they would, but they do have to get stock from somewhere.

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Jennifer wrote:
In all seriousness, Rachel, I would LOVE nothing more than to be able to tell somebody "Okay, on X date I'll have over a thousand books for you to have absolutely free; the only catch is, YOU have to pick them up. And take them ALL with you."

I'd do it. I'm unemployed and have nothing better to do. And anything I didn't want I'd just pass on to one of the other book-loving/collecting people I know.

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Timothy's picture

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Bah, just make a bonfire in the street the next time the power goes out. You're not hoarding books, you're stockpiling warmth!

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Rachel wrote:

Jennifer wrote:
In all seriousness, Rachel, I would LOVE nothing more than to be able to tell somebody "Okay, on X date I'll have over a thousand books for you to have absolutely free; the only catch is, YOU have to pick them up. And take them ALL with you."

I'd do it. I'm unemployed and have nothing better to do. And anything I didn't want I'd just pass on to one of the other book-loving/collecting people I know.

Hmm. In that case, let me talk to Jeff. Thus far it's been an occasional kind of thing, and I haven't even ventured down into the basement storage room. What's your car like--four-seater? Big trunk? How much cargo can you safely carry before you have to worry about things like obscuring your vision?

Also, I lack boxes. These books will be in stacks small enough for me to carry.

Ali's picture

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Jennifer, what are the books on? What are they about? It depends, I may pick up some.

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Jennifer's picture

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Rachel's going to come by at some point, Ali, after I go through the basement storage. I feel bad now, and wish I hadn't donated any books at all to the Goodwill, since there were some y'all would certainly have liked.

There's all sorts of stuff remaining. Some is pure crap: say, I had time to kill so I went to a thrift store and bought some pop novel for a dime or a quarter. Some's curiosity-value stuff, again from thrift stores or library sales: I just added to the pile a book of Christian fundamentalist crap about how Satan controls everything, for example. Books that were bestsellers in the 60s or 70s but everyone's forgotten them now. Books that went to the remainder bin shortly after publication. Compendiums of columns from columnists I'd never heard of, and after reading their book I understood why. Collections of cartoons, some good, some not.

I can't even remember what's in the boxes in the basement, nor how much is there; we basically filled the storage bin when we moved in over three years ago, and except for Christmas decorations we haven't taken anything out since.

Ali's picture

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I thought I'd get the hardcover stuff ;-) Just kiddin'

Anyhow, if you deem some as crap, um, not sure I'd like that.

Any history stuff?

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Jennifer's picture

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Right now I'm debating whether or not to get rid of any of my history books. In fact, I gave most of the obvious-crap choices to the Goodwill already: yes, I satisfied my curiosity as to what Howard Stern wrote in his book, and I don't suppose the 25 cents was wasted per se.

In the pile I've started making here, hardcover books include Jon Stewart's America (I received a surplus copy as a gift), a book of mystery stories with female detectives, a couple of antique novels and some columns and comedians.

By the way, I apologize -- I should've posted a note as soon as Rachel agreed to take the books, and I forgot. Sorry about that.

Ali's picture

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No problem, Jennifer. Let me know if you come across something on history. I am not into detective stuff (even if the detectives are female) and generally fiction. History is OK.

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Hey Ali, if you want to drive to Connecticut too, we can fight over the books! :-) It would be fun.

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Rachel wrote:
Hey Ali, if you want to drive to Connecticut too, we can fight over the books! :-) It would be fun.

You're in NYC, right? You know I can beat you to Hartford from Boston, right? Just remember, you started this!

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Ali wrote:
Rachel wrote:
Hey Ali, if you want to drive to Connecticut too, we can fight over the books! :-) It would be fun.

You're in NYC, right? You know I can beat you to Hartford from Boston, right? Just remember, you started this!

You're on! And it just so happens that I like history books too.

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Ali's picture

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Rachel wrote:
Ali wrote:
Rachel wrote:
Hey Ali, if you want to drive to Connecticut too, we can fight over the books! :-) It would be fun.

You're in NYC, right? You know I can beat you to Hartford from Boston, right? Just remember, you started this!

You're on! And it just so happens that I like history books too.

It just so happens that I will be in central Mass tomorrow. Jennifer, send me your address!

(Actually, I will be in central Mass tomorrow and, hence, near Hartford. But I am actually kidding, Rachel. Jennifer can tell me later what's left [if any] and I'll see if I'd like to have any of the remaining books.)

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Jennifer's picture

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Oooh, I think having Ali and Rachel over at the same time sounds like fun, whether they're fighting or not. And I'm located almost exactly halfway between Boston and New York.

In all seriousness, you two (and any other Grylliaders in the area), I'm also looking to get rid of some household items, mostly knickknacks, glassware and a LOT of artsy oil lamps and candle holders. (They're all small and lightweight, but still a pain to move because they're mostly breakable and must first be carefully wrapped and cushioned and etc. before you put them in a box.) If you'd like, I could get a lot of that stuff together too, if you might want any of it. That would be an a la carte thing, not a "if you take any you've got to take all" deal. Though I'd prefer you take as much as possible.

This is stuff that's worth SOME money, but not enough for it to be worth my while to sell it on eBay.

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Ali wrote:
Rachel wrote:
Ali wrote:
Rachel wrote:
Hey Ali, if you want to drive to Connecticut too, we can fight over the books! :-) It would be fun.

You're in NYC, right? You know I can beat you to Hartford from Boston, right? Just remember, you started this!

You're on! And it just so happens that I like history books too.

It just so happens that I will be in central Mass tomorrow. Jennifer, send me your address!

(Actually, I will be in central Mass tomorrow and, hence, near Hartford. But I am actually kidding, Rachel. Jennifer can tell me later what's left [if any] and I'll see if I'd like to have any of the remaining books.)


I'll send you my address if you want it, but I can't make tomorrow, alas. Besides, I'm thinking at LEAST another week before I get all this together.

Bear in mind, our storage room is so packed with stuff that most of it you can't even GET to without first removing the stuff in front of THAT. I am not entirely certain I'll even be able to do it by myself; I might need Jeff's help for moving stuff around.

Aresen's picture

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As an inveterate packrat, I find it hard to throw anything out. I have my Scientific Americans back to the 80's, books I haven't read in 30 years, even old scratched LPs.

I really gotta have a purge.

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Aresen wrote:
As an inveterate packrat, I find it hard to throw anything out. I have my Scientific Americans back to the 80's, books I haven't read in 30 years, even old scratched LPs.

I really gotta have a purge.

Exactly my motivation. I explained it all in a blog post a couple weeks back; last time Jeff and I moved it took us two months to get everything from our old apartment to our new one. (With neither of us taking time off work, but each averaging one carload of stuff each after work, every workday, plus more intense moving on weekends.) And with my current career insecurity, who knows when we might have to move again? So I've started the culling now.

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Jennifer wrote:
Ali wrote:
Rachel wrote:
Ali wrote:
Rachel wrote:
Hey Ali, if you want to drive to Connecticut too, we can fight over the books! :-) It would be fun.

You're in NYC, right? You know I can beat you to Hartford from Boston, right? Just remember, you started this!

You're on! And it just so happens that I like history books too.

It just so happens that I will be in central Mass tomorrow. Jennifer, send me your address!

(Actually, I will be in central Mass tomorrow and, hence, near Hartford. But I am actually kidding, Rachel. Jennifer can tell me later what's left [if any] and I'll see if I'd like to have any of the remaining books.)


I'll send you my address if you want it, but I can't make tomorrow, alas. Besides, I'm thinking at LEAST another week before I get all this together.

Bear in mind, our storage room is so packed with stuff that most of it you can't even GET to without first removing the stuff in front of THAT. I am not entirely certain I'll even be able to do it by myself; I might need Jeff's help for moving stuff around.

While I'll be in central Mass., I was just teasing Rachel. I won't have the time tomorrow either.

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