Whatcha' readin', part zwei

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Continue the learned discourse here.

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Writing Style / Character development:
Heinlein > Clarke > Asimov

Scientific Credibility (this is Sci-Fi after all):
Asimov > Clarke > Jules Verne > HG Wells > Danielle Steel > Heinlein

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I love Heinlein, but he wasn't really writing hard SF, he was writing love stories to the concept of SF. The story "The Golden Apples of the Sun" is a great example. It's a beautiful, emotive story, but not hard SF by any means.

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That's a Bradbury story, not Heinlein.

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Yeah, you may be thinking of Bradbury in general - Heinlein wrote fairly crunchy, realistic-as-bearable SF much of the time and especially during his early career.

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Hey, Heinlein's Space Cadet was hard, hard science. (Even the stuff about Mars and Venus being habitable was in line with what they knew back then.) He even spent time describing how the ship was spun up and despun.

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Oops, you're right. Had them mixed up in my head for some reason. Heinlein...well, he had some hard SF until he went off the rails, I think.

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When did he go off the rails, IYHO?

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He was off the hard-sf rails by Stranger, although that was a pretty good New Wave book. Even after that I think he just kinda changed with the times until he became obsessed with father/daughter day. Number of the Beast is definitely off any definition of rails, but it's an interesting ride even then.

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To Sail Beyond the Sunset's main message is, incest is great, so long as men don't catch teh ghey.

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I'm not sure I can pin it down with 100% accuracy, but by The Cat Who Walks Through Walls he was pretty bazoo. What was so weird about that one was that the first 2/3 of the book are pretty good, and then it's like he went off his meds.

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so...i am finding leo strauss to be fairly readable.

what's wrong with me?

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so...i am finding leo strauss to be fairly readable.

what's wrong with me?

Straussians: IT MEANS YOU'RE MISSING SOMETHING! PROBABLY EVERYTHING. NOTHING IS WHAT IT SEEMS WITH STRAUSS

That was my problem with Strauss too. I find him readable, especially compared to some other political theory. And I never got what there was to "get" about Strauss; a lot of it seemed pretty straight forward to me.

The Straussians are a crazy bunch though.

What Strauss are you reading?

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Sandy wrote:
To Sail Beyond the Sunset's main message is, incest is great, so long as men don't catch teh ghey.

This is the message of most late Heinlein. His pinnacle was that one story about the moon you may have heard about, but damn he had to work in polygamy and incest and Big Love into everything. I found it irritating.

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What Strauss are you reading?

just the city and man to start.

i did not know there are "straussians" out there. the one question i have is the same question i have for all the traditionalists i've read (all of whom are dead, for better or for worse): where is this notion of a nation that "knows its way" actually demonstrated?

that doesn't even get into the whole natural aristocracy thing via evola.

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I finally finished Sabatini's Captain Blood a few days ago, and I finished William Gibson's Spook Country today. The first was most certainly brain candy, but it was a good adventure story with well-written dialogue. The second was probably brain candy, too, although it did have quite a bit of commentary on how weird the world has become post 9/11.

I found Radicals for Capitalism the other day, so I guess that's next.

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So Spook Country was good? I've been holding out until I can get in in paperback. I just don't have room for hardcovers anymore, and since I read a lot in bed, the dang slippery glossy covers let the book fall out onto my face every once in a while.

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I've read a article that argued that Number of the Beast was a sort of writing anti-how-to by way of showing various examples of bad writing or plotting or whatnot, then bringing up various works of fiction that handled the "problem" at hand in much better ways.

I wish I could remember where I saw it...

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Dangerman wrote:
So Spook Country was good? I've been holding out until I can get in in paperback. I just don't have room for hardcovers anymore, and since I read a lot in bed, the dang slippery glossy covers let the book fall out onto my face every once in a while.

It was good, but I wouldn't rush out and buy it in hardback or anything.

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dhex wrote:
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What Strauss are you reading?

i did not know there are "straussians" out there. the one question i have is the same question i have for all the traditionalists i've read (all of whom are dead, for better or for worse): where is this notion of a nation that "knows its way" actually demonstrated?

I stopped caring about the Straussians a long time ago, because really they don't matter. However, there is hilarity to be found in the criticisms of Strauss/Straussians, because they're all very snarky and you can appreciate them whether you've read a lot of Strauss or not.

Also, it's only in America that Strauss is imbued with all sorts of cultish esoteric ridiculousness above and beyond his rather pedestrian status as a political theorist heavily influenced by Schmitt and Heidegger. It's also only in certain schools of American Straussianism in which Strauss himself is thought to be esoteric and thereby 'difficult' (as opposed to just difficult because his writing is bad, vague, and poorly-argued)

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Kwix wrote:

Scientific Credibility (this is Sci-Fi after all):
Asimov > Clarke > Jules Verne > HG Wells > Danielle Steel > Heinlein

That's being too kind to Asimov and too harsh to Heinlein. I don't think big speculative science was Heinlein's suite but he certainly was good at imagining and solving engineering problems. Almost all of the science in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" and Double Star and The Roads Must Roll etc looks plausible in the sense that it feels like reasonable extrapolation ie how real scientists and engineers would solve the problem.
Meanwhile Asimov was mostly a speculative science guy such as in "The Gods Themselves", but the applied science part of his stories is weak IMHO. I am thinking of how he imagined "advanced computers' like the Prime Gradient (IIRC) used to compute historical equations. It sounds pretty much like a number cruncher with a fancy touch screen GUI backed by some MathLab software. If that's all the progress they have made in 10000 years then the human race is in big trouble. Not only that, it puzzles me that even though he was a bio-chemist, most of his speculation was in physics - he seems to have completely missed emerging developments in genetics etc.
Clarke on the other hand was good at both aspects.
BTW - I prefer Asimov to Heinlein overall.

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SM wrote:
I don't think big speculative science was Heinlein's suite but he certainly was good at imagining and solving engineering problems. Almost all of the science in "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" and Double Star and The Roads Must Roll etc looks plausible in the sense that it feels like reasonable extrapolation ie how real scientists and engineers would solve the problem.

Amen.

I just received Learned Pigs & Fireproof Women by Ricky Jay. Although I'm upset by the shape of the book ("very good condition", my ass - it was wet when I pulled it out of the package!), I can't wait to get into it.

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Currently reading "Weighed in the Balance" by Anne Perry. She writes very good mystery novels.

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So I finally got Hayek's The Constitution of Liberty. I started with the epilogue Why I am not a conservative (pdf), just to make sure and eliminate all doubts about whether I am one. God, was I scared about the prospect of being one. Good to know that I am not. Now I can also hold my ground when I defend myself against accusations of conservatism by my "liberal" friends at work. What a relief that article was.

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I was also happily surprised to see that Hayek rejects the label libertarian, pretty much on my very own grounds. It is a "manufactured" word. Precisely!

F. A. Hayek wrote:
In the United States, where it has become almost impossible to use "liberal" in the sense in which I have used it, the term "libertarian" has been used instead. It may be the answer; but for my part I find it singularly unattractive. For my taste it carries too much the flavor of a manufactured term and of a substitute. What I should want is a word which describes the party of life, the party that favors free growth and spontaneous evolution. But I have racked my brain unsuccessfully to find a descriptive term which commends itself.

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I don't get the "manufactured" knock. The word is over 200 years old at this point. Sure, it's been used to mean several different things, but what politically descriptive term hasn't?

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JD- I really do not know, it just does not rest well with me. It has these sci-fi, selfish, Randian (not that there is anything wrong with that), "hardness" to it. It lacks flexibility and a sense of inclusiveness. It lacks a sense of humanity/liveliness, or something.

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Ali wrote:
JD- I really do not know, it just does not rest well with me. It has these sci-fi, selfish, Randian (not that there is anything wrong with that), "hardness" to it. It lacks flexibility and a sense of inclusiveness. It lacks a sense of humanity/liveliness, or something.

Ali, with all due respect, I do believe your talking out your ass.

The word is commonly understood to mean: Championing individual liberty by promoting peace and property with minimal government. But you don't like the imagery conjured up by the diphthongs?

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Warren wrote:
Ali wrote:
JD- I really do not know, it just does not rest well with me. It has these sci-fi, selfish, Randian (not that there is anything wrong with that), "hardness" to it. It lacks flexibility and a sense of inclusiveness. It lacks a sense of humanity/liveliness, or something.

Ali, with all due respect, I do believe your talking out your ass.

The word is commonly understood to mean: Championing individual liberty by promoting peace and property with minimal government. But you don't like the imagery conjured up by the diphthongs?

I do not think the mainstream sees " Championing individual liberty by promoting peace and property with minimal government" aspect of it. The word itself as it is now has become to be perceived in the mainstream is what is problematic. Changing the label is probably easier than changing people's erroneous conceptions of the word. Even some self-proclaimed libertarians won't agree with "Championing individual liberty by promoting peace and property with minimal government" as the only aspect of libertarianism (e.g., Dondero et al). Unfortunately these people also call themselves libertarian and end up confusing the core ideo of libertarianism (to me that would be "live and let live" kinda thing). To the general public, it is this dry word that connotes dry and lifeless sentiments. That's all. I think Hayek points to that too. Just sayin'. Could be more talk from my rear end, I know.

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What are the fresh and vibrant sentiments conveyed by "liberal" or "conservative"?

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I do not think the mainstream sees " Championing individual liberty by promoting peace and property with minimal government" aspect of it.

that's putting it mildly.

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I finished Radicals for Capitalism today (or at least the main text; I didn't read the massive amount of notes). Unsurprisingly, it was a great book. It did a superb job of summarizing the philosophies of the major (and not-so-major) players, and the biographies were well-integrated into the flow of the book. I now have a much firmer grasp of the various names that get thrown around and their particular contributions to libertarianism.

Reading it right now was appropriate since it put into perspective the animosities underlying the Ron Paul issue. That is, it appears that libertarians have always been a bunch of infighting assholes, so expecting any cohesion to suddenly develop is probably unrealistic. Also, excessive worrying about public indifference is mostly a waste since agonizing about how best to sell libertarianism is as old as libertarianism itself.

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Gulag Archipelago. This book is scary real.

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Ali wrote:
I do not think the mainstream sees " Championing individual liberty by promoting peace and property with minimal government" aspect of it.

I don't think they much see any aspect of it. Familiarity with the term is still pretty rare.

I'm also unconvinced that most people want either individual liberty championed or peace and property with minimal government.

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it's even more fun if you bring up the topic with europeans. nice people and all, but totally on a different bandwagon.

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But they can show boobs on tv, dhex. Boobs. Therefore, they're more free.

Or so they've told me.

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And don't forget -- the health care is free!

And Bush isn't president over there.

Thus Europe = free!

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Ah Stevo, but Freedom Is not Free, so If Europe = Free, than Europe cannot = Freedom.

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this came to mind because i'm having a discussion of sorts with a portugese friend of a friend whose idea of "liberty" is "everyone makes the same amount of money and we have a lot of free time." people would become sewer cleaners because "they want to" and stuff along those lines.

to be fair, he's also in art school so there may be more than just translation issues at work. but he got all sorts of pissed at me for calling foucault entertaining. i don't think entertaining is an insult, but i don't think homeboy was mount rushmore either.

also: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBS.

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Sounds like your basic Positive vs. Negative liberty confusion. This is a pretty common problem when talking with Europeans; also the people I work with.

I'm under the impression many people I work with think that the entire population of the city need to have a social worker. I think this attitude comes from spending too much time reading the DSM-4. Pretty much every person under the sun could be put into one or more categories from that book. In the wrong hands, that book is downright insidious.

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It took a few tries, but I finally finished Blood Meridian. Unlike some reviews I've read, the violence didn't cause me any problems, but his writing occasionally did. After a few chapters, I got into the flow of the text and could read many pages without issue, and then I would hit a paragraph where McCarthy was either trying too hard or not hard enough, which would completely disrupt the flow. Even after multiple readings, there are some sentences and paragraphs in the book that don't seem to convey any information--they are just words strung together to create an atmosphere or effect, and there is nothing behind that atmosphere.

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I'm 1/3 way through Diamond Age. Me Likey.

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Andrew wrote:
Even after multiple readings, there are some sentences and paragraphs in the book that don't seem to convey any information--they are just words strung together to create an atmosphere or effect, and there is nothing behind that atmosphere.

Aah, the Tom Robbins syndrome.

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Just found a book called Se7en Habits of Highly Effective Serial Killers.

(Not really. Just thought of it.)

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I started in on A Guinea Pig's History of Biology last night, it seems like it's going to be at least kind of interesting, but maybe a little light on details.

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Heinlein's Job: A Comedy of Justice

Recently finished books
Steinbeck's Of Mice and Men
Heinlein's Starship Troopers

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On Sunday I spent the whole day reading all of Watchmen. It was amazing.

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I started re-reading Quicksilver by Neal Stephenson.

Well, let me qualify that -- I never actually finished reading it the first time, due to fatigue. And this reading actually started about 1/3 into the story. I started off by just reading one of the "good parts" that I remembered, and just kept going. When I finish reading it this time (I'm almost done), I'll go back and read the beginning again.

This is kinda tempting me to tackle the rest of the Baroque Cycle after I'm done with this volume.

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Lost_In_Translation wrote:
Heinlein's Starship Troopers

Did you love it?

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I'm halfway through Zodiac. I am grinding through Stephenson's body of work at a frightening rate. I've got the whole Baroque Cycle, Cryptonomicon, Snow Crash and Diamond Age read, and now I need to find those two short fiction compilations he worked on to complete the whole mess. My next project is to read all of Iain Banks Culture and Culture-Related works, because they are great., and I already read two or three out of a dozen or so novels. I like prolific writers, because I can get into their style and immerse myself in whatever they are trying to portray.

After Banks, it's back to reading everything Harlan Ellison has written. I'll see you in a few years!

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Harlan Ellison,
Now there is a snarky bastard I can love. He makes Anthony Bourdain look like a peacenik pollyanna.

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Every time I see Ellison raving about something, I just want to pinch his cheeks. 'Cuz then he'd totally have to kill me, and I'd b famous.

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Dangerman,
So you have "The Essential Ellison"? Much as I love the guy's work, I have to agree with a friend who said omnibus collections like that should usually be titled "The INessential..."

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Yeah, and I like it. it is HUUGE. 1400 pages or so IIRC. So there is probably some inessential content, but there isn't much that I didn't enjoy, and won't re-read.

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Dangerman wrote:
Every time I see Ellison raving about something, I just want to pinch his cheeks. 'Cuz then he'd totally have to kill me, and I'd b famous.

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Ellie wrote:
Lost_In_Translation wrote:
Heinlein's Starship Troopers

Did you love it?

Honestly I did. No army in history has probably functioned as efficiently and meritocratically, but Heinlein didn't come off as preaching that his model was the way things should be, just presenting the possibility. And the story was pretty much a satisfying war story. I probably liked it for much the same reasons I liked "Band of Brothers".

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About a week ago, I finished Ender's Game.
I had that book just hanging around my apartment for so long and couldn't get past the first few pages, but once I got past that barrier, it was really, really good!
Of course, I've seen a lot of that same hardcore, Nietzsche-ian training in Dune, but Ender's Game IMHO got it right about the human cost of what that kind of training does/would do to children.

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mircea eliade's giant survey of yoga and related tantric and vedanta material.

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I'm in the middle of way too many things, but I just picked up "The Education of a Photographer". It's a collection of essays and letters written by practicing photographers over the last century. Usually I can't stand stuff like art criticism, but this is pretty cool since it was all written by people who were actually out there in the field working, and so far it mostly sticks to the meaty question of "What makes a good photograph?" without getting either bogged down in the swamps of equipment and technique or lost in the oxygen-free air of pure theory.

And Google Books has it: http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=qaDzvI950-wC&dq=%22the+education+of+a+photographer%22&printsec=frontcover&source=web&ots=151TnbvkkF&sig=vOXtUu4UzVnRfG6vo6sbA-5icso

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I recently felt like I needed to reread Hakim Bey's "Immediatism", since I've been thinking a lot about media, representation, and experience. Bey tends to be very esoteric, but there are good patterns hidden in the writing, if you get most of the references. Some of his writing on tongs could be applied to Grylliade itself, I think. And the best part is that Bey has explicitly permitted free reproduction of his work, so it's all easily available: http://www.left-bank.org/bey/hbconten.htm

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have you heard the spoken word version of temporary autonomous zone? (it's got a bill laswell backing thing going on but it's not awful)

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I have not, but I own a bunch of Praxis material, which is heavily Bey-influenced. And whaddya mean, "Bill Laswell backing thing but it's not awful"? I like Bill Laswell. Not all his stuff, admittedly, but the guy who produced "Orgasmatron" gets a free pass for a lot of stuff, as far as I'm concerned. That reminds me, I have to see if that Science Faction album ever came out.

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bill laswell is spottier than a spotted dog across the history of his output.

which is to be expected seeing as he's been on about 4 million records at this point. he's a huge fan of throwing saxophones in at random times both for good (painkiller!) and ill (a lot of stuff that isn't painkiller).

(yes yes i know we can blame john zorn for the above greatness in painkiller's stuff but you know what i mean)

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Fiction: Against A Dark Background by Iain M. Banks. It starts slowly and then improves; there's a good sense of building menace...knowing Banks, I'm almost cringing at what horrible revelation is going to occur late in the book. So far it's my least favorite of any Banks book I've read, but still damn good compared to a lot of other stuff. Note that this is not a Culture novel.

Non-fiction: Pretty Things: The Last Generation of American Burlesque Queens by Liz Goldwyn. Kind of a coffee-table book with a lot of photos and drawings (mostly costumers' sketches), with profiles of a number of stars. I'm glad somebody archived this stuff before it was lost, since a lot of the material comes from yellowing newspaper clippings and now-elderly people's scrapbooks. It's fun to see what's changed since 60 years ago and what hasn't (there are a few pictures that really reminded me of things I've seen in the last year) and to feel like part of a scene with a real history.

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John Scalzi, Old Man's War. It's like Starship Troopers without the fascism or (as much) speechifying.

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I finally finished Pynchon's V., and although it was good, I'm a little disappointed. It doesn't feel like he managed to wrangle all the threads into a resolution as much as it feels like it just collapsed under its own weight. I still think it was worth my time (and several attempts), but it wasn't quite what I expected from him (probably my fault for starting with GR and Lot 49).

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Hm! I was reading V, and having trouble getting into it. GR was actually more approachable, more readable, in a weird way.

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because it's episodic; v is more like a giant bowl of what the fuck.

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What I'd always liked about Pynchon is the ambiguity, that sense that something cool but tantalizingly obscured permeates his books.

Then I read the first few chapters of Against The Day, and lo, I found out that his whole schtick is well written Marxist Utopianism handed out in sugar coated, cutsey named morsels. I was so bummed.

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huh?

anyway, someone gave me a copy of these short stories by an author named murakami, and i feel bad because it reads like fiction you'd find in the new yorker and this sort of slice o' life with a side order of weird and quirky kinda gets on me after a while.

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Oh, Murakami is 100% Prime Grade A New Yorker material, believe me. I kind of like his stuff, but it does always carry the whiff of New Yorker fanboyism.

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yeah it really is.

some of this short story collection (after the quake) is pretty good, and some of it is just "people have feelings but then they meet people/giant frog who help them figure out they have feelings"

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I am currently reading Chodorov's One is a Crowd. So far (chapter 2) I like it a lot.

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Interface by Neal Stevenson and J. Frederick George. I'm in the first act still, but the writing and characters are great, just what you would expect from Stevenson's other works, without eight page discourses on European Trade Faires. Brevity, it would seem, is George's thing.

And what's with the three first names? If my last name was George, I would be tempted to name my child something like Anderson, or Jenkins, so at least his name would look right backwards.

*EDIT*

This explains a lot.

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Home Buying for Dummies and The Best of H.P. Lovecraft (specifically The Shadow Over Innsmouth).

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Ali wrote:
I am currently reading Chodorov's One is a Crowd. So far (chapter 2) I like it a lot.

Somewhere I found Frank Chodorov's Out of Step online as PDF file -- probably it was at mises.org. I have copied it to my hard drive but haven't read it yet. Eventually I will.

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Frank_A wrote:
Home Buying for Dummies and The Best of H.P. Lovecraft (specifically The Shadow Over Innsmouth).

Home Buying for Dummies

Chapter 1:

Be a buyer in this market.

The End.

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Frank_A wrote:
Home Buying for Dummies and The Best of H.P. Lovecraft (specifically The Shadow Over Innsmouth).

These are, of course, connected. Are you shopping for a house in Innsmouth to be near family, perchance?

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JasonL wrote:
Frank_A wrote:
Home Buying for Dummies and The Best of H.P. Lovecraft (specifically The Shadow Over Innsmouth).

Home Buying for Dummies

Chapter 1:

Be a buyer in this market.

The End.

Here I was thinking, "Don't be too quick to fall in love with old New England fishing towns. Sure, they may have a picturesque old-timey feel to them, and housing prices are often surprisingly low, but many of these small communities have high property taxes, and after factoring in the cost of defending against possession by dread nameless entities from beyond the stars, buying there may turn out to be a false economy."

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Stevo Darkly wrote:
Ali wrote:
I am currently reading Chodorov's One is a Crowd. So far (chapter 2) I like it a lot.

Somewhere I found Frank Chodorov's Out of Step online as PDF file -- probably it was at mises.org. I have copied it to my hard drive but haven't read it yet. Eventually I will.

Something is very appealing in the writings of that generation. It could be the clarity and simplicity, yet power, of the ideas. Same with Rose Wilder Lane. I found some audio files on the mises.org website by LeFavre. These were interesting. No one talks like that any more.

Say what you say about Rockwell et al., I give them a lot of credit for the material available on mises.org. It is just sad that they are so hung up on the whole south confederacy issue. May be they are sincerely trying to make a point about liberty (they emphatically denounce slavery, but not the right of secession --see for example Tom Woods). I think they can make their case much better otherwise. Mixing that with other good stuff, especially Austrian economics, is quite detrimental I think. At least in the short run.

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JasonL wrote:
Home Buying for Dummies

Chapter 1:

Be a buyer in this market.

The End.

Only if you can get the credit terms of the last market. Jebus, but you'd think they'd welcome someone with an actual good credit score who's not after a subprime loan.

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Just re-read A Wrinkle in Time. Now re-reading Watership Down.

Mostly inspired by walking through a B&N looking for a book that was of interest to the snackstealer. It was thought by the info folk to be on the required summer reading table. It wasn't obvious, so we had to search through it pretty carefully (to no avail), which meant I looked through the current crop of 'required school reading' books pretty thoroughly. Many were unfamiliar, having become school vogue since my exit from primary academia. However, many that I had read, or thought I had read, were only dimly recalled. When I got home, I happened to see my wife's copy of A Wrinkle in Time, and decided to go through it. I enjoyed it (although after getting used to books like Hyperion and Brightness Reef - and even the later Harry Potters - it was far simpler and shorter than I'd remembered).

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I just finished Spin by Robert Charles Wilson. HOLY FUCK this book is good.

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bernie lewis' "the muslim discovery of europe."

too bad he's such a shit, huh? he's an engaging writer.

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Radicals for Capitalism
Best history book I've ever read.

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LIBERAL ARTS

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Stuff I've read in the last few weeks:

The Belgariad by David Eddings - mediocre fantasy; read it because a friend recommended it
Me Talk Pretty One Day and When You Are Engulfed in Flames by David Sedaris - the first one was really good, the second one not so much
The Book of Air and Shadows by Michael Gruber - a much longer and less entertaining version of The Club Dumas
Human Smoke by Nicholson Baker - an excellent book that covers events leading to WWII that are left out of the traditional version. It's definitely not unbiased, but it's still a good examination of how the war developed.

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i'm reading the buru quartet by pramoedya toer which was written in what one might call super hardcore conditions - it survived as a massive oral story he told his fellow inmates while under arrest in suharto's indonesia. in some ways it is a traditional post-colonial telling of colonialism, but it's ease of language undermines the more plasticky moments. i can't really see the supposed marxism - it was of course banned when first published in indonesia for that reason - beyond the whole "gee, these dutch with their warships and sugar farm serfdoms are total dicks, huh?"

but still, what a tremendous fuck you to an authoritarian government.

edit: i am not generally on the same page as tariq ali, but what he said about toer holds true - had he been a soviet dissident, he would have won the nobel prize.

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The Moss Roberts translation of The Three Kingdoms.

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McCarthy's The Road

Gooood book.

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Finally got back around to finishing His Dark Materials. I was really afraid that the storyline was just going to waft away into nothingness, as the sort of warry thing ended before I expected it to, and with less drama. But the denouement wasn't too bad, once I forced myself to finish finishing it.

Now starting on Neverwhere, by Neil Gaiman. So far, it's more interesting than American Gods, which ultimately left me feeling unfulfilled.

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Finally got back around to finishing His Dark Materials. I was really afraid that the storyline was just going to waft away into nothingness, as the sort of warry thing ended before I expected it to, and with less drama. But the denouement wasn't too bad, once I forced myself to finish finishing it.

Are you sure you read the last book? I think your fears were right and you aren't.

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JasonL wrote:
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Finally got back around to finishing His Dark Materials. I was really afraid that the storyline was just going to waft away into nothingness, as the sort of warry thing ended before I expected it to, and with less drama. But the denouement wasn't too bad, once I forced myself to finish finishing it.

Are you sure you read the last book? I think your fears were right and you aren't.

Eh. Matter of opinion. I thought the ending was fine.

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JasonL wrote:
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Finally got back around to finishing His Dark Materials. I was really afraid that the storyline was just going to waft away into nothingness, as the sort of warry thing ended before I expected it to, and with less drama. But the denouement wasn't too bad, once I forced myself to finish finishing it.

Are you sure you read the last book? I think your fears were right and you aren't.

I said "wasn't too bad" not "good". But I'd set the book aside as completely boring, and read something else. Then I came back to it and it wasn't as bad as I'd feared. Went from complete waste of time to minimum-adequate.

I usually try to force myself through to the end if I'm that close, but I also stopped reading Blue Mars about 2/3 of the way through, and never came back to it, but I've since heard that I was right to do that.

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I just started The Eyre Affair, and ho-lee crap. There may be a good story in there, but the way it's written makes me want to stab somebody in the eye. Weird-ass plotting, useless exposition dumps, a main character whose entire personality so far is "I'm bored at my job" ... UGH. I may put this one aside for a weekend when I've just gotten laid and eaten chocolate and am feeling a Christ-like benevolence towards the whole human race. Otherwise I won't read so much as scan for weak points.

Also, just finished the Coldfire trilogy by C.S. Friedman, and am still doodling "Mrs. Gerald Tarrant" on all my notebooks.

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Huh, I really liked the Nursery Cryme books I read by Jasper Fforde. But lots of his jokes are subtle and require deep knowledge of the base material. I could sense the jokes flying over my head, because apparently he appreciates nursery rhymes on a much deeper level than me.

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Well, The Eyre Affair was his first book, while the Nursery Crimes ones are his sixth and seventh, so maybe he was just still working out the kinks in this one. Still, I'll leave it until I'm off the rag. Heh.

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finished the short story collection "death in midsummer" by yukio mishima. it was very amazing. i would recommend people try it if you want to try him and the sailor who fell from grace with the sea is unavailable or too daunting at 220 pages.

new dimensions put out a lot of wacky shit back in the day.

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