Once in a while, I read a book that seems to be universally loved and I get the impression I read a different book from everyone else. I don't understand all the worship that surrounds A Confederacy of Dunces, for example. It was mildly amusing but never funny, and despite all the praise for the writing style, I found the writing repetitive and unimaginative. Another one is Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. There's almost an Objectivist-style devotion to it, but I found both the writing and philosophical discussion mediocre at best.
What popular books have little or no appeal for you?


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Moby Dick....fuckin white whale. Herman Melville was on LSD and crack.
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Anything by Rand. Anything by Steinbeck, but especially Of Mice And Men.
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Pretty much anything by Dickens. The man was being paid by the word, and it shows. On top of that, he was mawkish and maudlin in the extreme.
I liked both Confederacy and Zen, though.
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Amen to Zen and Moby Dick.
To this I will add. Anything by. Ernest Hemingway. Boring. Short. Needs commas. Like white elephants.
He's like Rudyard Kipling without the modernity or the talent.
Now if it's popular, as opposed to "critically acclaimed," I'll go with Sahara by Clive Cussler. Good god that was bad. When I saw Matthew McCaughahay (I don't care how he spells his name, because he sucks) had done the movie version, I knew his career was over. A shark. A ramp. And an idling motorcycle.
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Chick lit.
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Two great disappointments immediately spring to mind.
Fiction:
Spanking the Maid, by I forget the author. My brother informed me that this book was in the library of the University of Missouri-St. Louis, and I took a look. It was a slim volume that aspired to the ranks of serious literature, as a character study or something. Very little actually happened in the book. I don't even remember any spanking. The title raised certain expectations; the book did not deliver.
(It may only have been "popular" only in a very local sense; I suspect that every UM-St. Louis student who saw it on the shelf probably took a look through it.)
Nonfiction:
Unusual Sexual Behavior: The Standard Deviations. I stumbled across this in the library of Saint Louis University. An amazingly dry and dull academic treatise, considering the subject matter and the rather clever title.
(Again, probably "popular" in a limited sense, but somebody looked through it and tore most of the photographs out.)
These disappointments have rankled at me for years, and I had to vent. I'll go away now.
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The "Dune" books. Lord of the Rings. Hitchhiker's Guide. The Corrections.
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I'll second that. I mean, I vaguely remember thinking The Old Man and The Sea was ok, but Farewell to Arms was hella boring, according to my former high school aged self.
I was actually just bitching about Ernest Hemingway at lunch today. Oh sure, it's easy to spend hours at a bar every day poring over a single, simple sentence when your writing isn't paying the bills or putting food on the table. Arrogant rich kid. I find it irksome from a lower middle class standpoint that some of the so-called "great" artists just happened to be born into the wealthy lifestyle that allowed for that kind of leisure activity. (Obviously, that complaint isn't very applicable to modern writers -- nowadays one doesn't need to be wealthy to write for leisure).
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The first one I can understand - I kind of liked Dune, forced myself through the second book (Dune Messiah), and stopped after that. It's weird, because reading about the Dune books, they sound exactly like the kind of thing I would love, and yet I just couldn't get a grip on them.
The second and third of your choices, however, are unforgivable! Never heard of the fourth.
Here's a question that's occurred to me: could you ever change your opinions about the books? For me, I'm not going to say I could never like a Dickens book - maybe if I found the right one, and got to read it on my own, as opposed to having a high school teacher cram it down my throat, maybe.
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Amen. The incoherent ramblings of a drunken oaf set to paper.
BTW Dune is the greatest tome ever assembled in the English language (first book that is, forget the rest).
seriously though, i think you're crazy on this. and you think i'm crazy. everybody wins! - dhex
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I hated Cloud Atlas. I think if I'd read it in a vacuum I would have just been meh, but the way everyone and their aged grandmother was raving about it stoked the fires of my loathing.
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Beloved by Toni Morrison. I can not stand that piece of shit book. One of my friends almost got suspended for nailing his copy of the book to his wall and making a video of it.
But, as Deepak Chopra taught us, quantum physics means anything can happen at any time for no reason! Also, eat plenty of oatmeal, and animals never had a war... who's the real animal?
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OH! Siddhartha! I thought it was confused, annoying, and awful.
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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Suspended? For what? From what?
seriously though, i think you're crazy on this. and you think i'm crazy. everybody wins! - dhex
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aah, I went to boarding school, he nailed it into the cork board on his wall, the english teacher found out. Relevant details!
But, as Deepak Chopra taught us, quantum physics means anything can happen at any time for no reason! Also, eat plenty of oatmeal, and animals never had a war... who's the real animal?
=Professor Farnsworth
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Did they make you wear a skirt and forbid reading Catcher In The Rye?
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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Heh heh. "Papa".
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JD -
I've tried reading "Lord of the Rings" several times. Just couldn't get into it. Not really a fantasy person.
"The Corrections" was this hyper-praised novel from 2000 AD or thereabouts. Got thru' about a hundred pages and gave up. It was so popular that a Simpsons's episode had a cameo of the author getting into a fight at a book festival.
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I couldn't really get into anything William Gibson wrote after Neuromancer.
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JD, I think you and I should do anti-recommendations: I'll tell you what books I hated, and you can read them. I loved Dickens (Tale of Two Cities and Bleak House, a 1000-page rant about how much lawyers suck), but absolutely hated A Confederacy of Dunces. Also Catcher in the Rye sucks spectacularly.
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Well, if you really want to know about it, it all started when my friend Clark Kloozenberry read Beloved. What a crumby book. Boy was it crumby! Clark hated it so much he nailed it to the wall of his room. I'm not kidding you. He made a video of it and everything. Then old Mr. Scumboli, the English teacher, found out about it. Boy, did he get mad! Old Scumboli said that Clark wasn't fit to attend a fine school like Pencey Prep after desecrating such a great old book as Beloved. "Desecrating." That killed me. Like it was the goddamn Bible or some goddamn thing. Very big deal. So they ended up kicking Clark Kloozenberry out of Pencey.
Old Clark. Old Kloozenberry. Goddamn. Don't ever start telling people about the time a friend of yours nailed a copy of Beloved to the wall. It just makes you start missing everybody.
I actually liked Catcher in the Rye quite a bit, even though I know that many people hate it.
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Ditto Gibson, except I didn't even like Neuromancer all that much.
I'm going to stick up for both Steinbeck and Hemingway. I think in both cases there is a deceptive ease to the prose. I admire Papa's ability to convey with few words, actually.
I would rather read Hemingway backwards than a single word of Faulkner's. Don't like the slimy, humid subject matter and don't like to too-clever-by-half execution.
Don't like Gravity's Rainbow. I liked The Crying of Lot 49 a lot, but after that, I began to suspect that Pynchon spent most of his time erecting elaborate barriers to prevent the reader from viewing an empty room.
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Yeah, I like Catcher, although I don't think it's quite the Ultimate Masterpiece that generations of English teachers have told us it is. A lot of books suffer from being oversold and forced upon people, IMO.
Jadagul: Hmm, let's see! I was kind of disappointed by Rules For Saying Goodbye, by Katherine Taylor. I didn't hate it, but...I tried to like it, I really did. But it just came across as "poor little spoiled rich girl whines about having a neurotic family and her crappy life, which only affords her the ability to live in any city she wants while being only semi-employed. And nothing really happens."
Also didn't really care for The Five People You Meet In Hell, which is (obviously) a parody of The Five People You Meet In Heaven. I'd never read in Heaven, so maybe that's why the parody didn't work for me. It had its mildly amusing moments, but overall, "eh". Kind of nonsensical and overly taken with its own cleverness. Imagine a really low-quality Dave Barry piece, and you'll get a feel for it.
But neither of those are really that popular or well-known. Hmm...oh, I know: Piers Anthony. Not that I hate him by any means, but his books just kind of bounce off me. Never really got the great appeal.
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The first four Harry Potter books. I plodded through the boxed set on the recommendation of a few different people waiting for it to start getting good. UHG! Just more crap on top of crap.
seriously though, i think you're crazy on this. and you think i'm crazy. everybody wins! - dhex
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my lists are too long to count.
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Confederacy of Dunces has left me cold. It's humerous, I suppose, but not uproariously so. Sort of like Flannery O'Connor trying to do a piece for Rolling Stone.
I liked the first bit of Zen + Motorcycle Maintenance, but it's only mildly awesome. If you never studied philosophy, you'd probably like it. I read it my junior year of college and felt that the first third was a pretty good pop-culture version of scientific/technical existentialism. The idea of letting go of preconceived notions of what something is 'for' and seeing what it can be is fairly interesting and useful, if you haven't seen it elsewhere.
For myself, I'm just not in the Dune fanclub. I guess it's kind of cool, and there are some neat story elements in there, but for the most part I just thought it was space opera, with a little too much emphasis on the opera.
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If it wasn't for the worms you could recast the whole thing into medieval Europe/Africa. So I don't find it very spacey at all. What makes it great, is the density of the plot. There are a dozen major characters past the protagonist/antagonist, and again as many minor characters. Each one has their own agenda and motivations. And everything everybody says and does has a direct impact on everybody else. When the planetoligist speaks you can feel the effect on everyone from the space guild to the Baron's nephew, to the emperor's assassin.
seriously though, i think you're crazy on this. and you think i'm crazy. everybody wins! - dhex
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I don't like Faulkner, but I don't hate him. I'd much rather work through the purple prose than suffer through Papa Pretentious's dumb and long and lame and bad and lacking comma sentences.
Thanks for reminding me. I hate Flannery O'Connor. Yes, I know there are some inbred crazies in the South, maybe more than elsewhere, but you don't have to fetishize it and borderline approve of it. She's utterly incurious as to why they are as they are. John Berendt does a much better job, if the book is anything like the movie.
But in general I hate southern writers. You lost. Deal.
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oh i forgot to mention don delillo. i only read white noise, and yes i know that ragtime et al are much better but whatever dude. ha ha hitler studies yeah that was kind of funny for a bit but still it's another round of oh god having a job is so oppressing.
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Isn't Ragtime by Doctorow? I remember liking that book, especially the brother who joins the Mexican Revolution. Also the closet batin' scene.
But, as Deepak Chopra taught us, quantum physics means anything can happen at any time for no reason! Also, eat plenty of oatmeal, and animals never had a war... who's the real animal?
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oh god i meant underworld.
i might as well give up.
i find doctorow unreadable. which is strange considering i think pynchon is fun to read.
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I haven't read through this whole thread, but I'm catching up.
I never got what the big deal was with "Catcher in the Rye." So much so that my self-righteous 17 year old self wrote an essay for the high school lit magazine about why worshipping Holden Caulfeild was silly.
I also HATED "A Color Purple" which my liberal-arts-college standards is an omg, revolutionary piece of literature
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I keep meaning to read a book by Doctorow, but I'm turned off by 99% of his non-fiction stuff, which often strikes me as ill-informed and knee-jerk. That shouldn't translate to his fiction (Hell, I loved most everything I read by Moorcock, but I want to club the guy upon reading any essay of his so far), but there you go.
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Stevo, that Catcher in the Rye parody was brilliant.
I always liked the book, though less and less as I grew more and more annoyed with Holden. At least it was a fun book to teach, not like some of the glop in the curriculum.
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Thank you, dear. It's actually a pretty easy book to parody.
For Talk Like a Pirate Day, I was going to write a parody as if Holden Caulfield had been a pirate, but it was beyond me.
... was as far as I got.
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That parody was brilliant. But I must admit that Catcher in the Rye and The Great Gatsby are among my favorite novels.
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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I second Jennifer's praise of your parody. As for books I hate: I keep making runs at Rose Lane's Discovery of Freedom, and keep giving up after deciding it's poorly researched claptrap. Now I really do need to turn in the decoder ring, I suppose. I find Faulkner unreadable. Asimov is boring, and his prose manages to be both wooden and turgid. I also hate most literary fiction-it tends to be self-absorbed crap. I like Hemmngway in small doses.
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I like some of Asimov's stuff, but oddly enough, the more popular/mainstream it was (Foundation series, for example) the less I can get into it. His earlier stuff, while not great SF, is at least entertaining.
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I recently reread some of Asimov's stuff, and I found that my memory of his prose was harsher than the reality. The characters are a bit flat, but then again, I find most literary stuff emphasizes character and setting so much that they forget about plot and theme. So it's basically a counterweight to lit crit.
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I loved Asimov's stuff when I was younger (and read most or all of his SF and a goodly fraction of his nonfiction), but I was just never enthralled by the Foundation books. I never thought those were his best writing or his best SF.
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Foucault's Pendulum got a lot of good press when it came out. it was pulled out of the cobwebs by intellectuals when The Da Vinci Code came out to show all the proles what they would read if they weren't such dolts.
I hated it. I know that lots of people find Umberto Eco hard to swallow, but I really liked Name of the Rose and I loved Baudolino. Everyone I told this claimed that I would necessarily love FC as it was so much superior to those two. Nope. I honestly felt a bit angry that I had invested so much time in it by the end.
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really? i love fc.
it's the literary cousin of illuminatus with a dash of borges.
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I don't know that I'm an intellectual, but I'm certainly guilty of this.
I enjoyed FC, but not as much as Name of the Rose.
"Nothing is at last sacred but the integrity of your own mind... I am ashamed to think how easily we capitulate to badges and names, to large societies and dead institutions.."-Emerson
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when da da veeeenchi hit i pulled out holy blood holy grail and said "you should read this fucknuttery" and for some reason people never thought that was funny.
"Yeah, but my character would be all swav and deboner." - Warren
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I never read Da Vinci Code, but I imagine the Eco book was better than it was. I guess I was just really disappointed in it as it had been played up so much.
However, it was clear to me that many of the people who liked Da Vinci Code (The ones who recommended it to me anyways) would not have liked Foucault's Pendulum so I never recommended it. Eco demands a bit too much from some readers methinks.
It would be a bit like recommending Satyricon to someone because they really liked Gladiator.
For the record, btw, I loved Confederacy of Dunces. I've read it several times over the years. On Catcher in the Rye, I can't say that it did anything for me. I was even a teenager when I read it and I utterly failed to relate in with Holden.
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"Oh, you like Asian cinema? You should really watch Men Behind the Sun." *snicker*
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i usually recommend visitor q.
"Yeah, but my character would be all swav and deboner." - Warren
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Foucault's Pendulum is one of my favorite books, and I fully acknowledge that reading it is mostly an exasperating effort to find the point.
But the payoff at the end is just fantastic. There was a point to all the misery, and the whole thing really amplified the impact of the conclusion. A better description of the conspiracy mindset has never been put to paper.
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Just the mention of that movie is enough to make me throw up in my mouth a little.
Stevo, that pirate parody sounds almost like Alex from A Clockwork Orange doing Holden Caulfield doing a pirate. That's hella meta. Your mom must be very proud.
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