the satanic verses

dhex's picture

basically if you don't like magical realism and allegorical fiction then you'd hate this but i think it's pretty much fabuloso.

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Andrew's picture

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I'm planning on reading this after I read Midnight's Children. However, the library was out of that, so I settled for The Magus on your suggestion. Between following some of your recommendations on music and following some on books, I just might develop taste at some point. Maybe.

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MAYBE!

no actually i'm pretty spot on when it comes to books because i am always very careful to make selections based on what i know people dig.

actually the magus is a really good headfuck book i would buy for kids in their early 20s having existential crises and all that. but it's also just a really good headfuck book.

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Hello! I am an illiterate sumnabitch, and I really liked The Satanic Verses.

(That's my official endorsement.)

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Point of order! smacky, I don't think it's biologically possible for you to be a sumnabitch without major surgery. You might go with the biologically correct bicjasdottr, which is some Norse language (possibly rendered incorrectly, though) and sounds cooler.

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bicjasdottr


Yeah, that. Well, and since we're technically nitpicking, I can't really be illiterate, either, if I was capable of reading a book and posting to this forum. I may have to reformulate a plan...

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You could be using a voice recognition software and a screen reader! No literacy required.

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dhex wrote:
actually the magus is a really good headfuck book i would buy for kids in their early 20s having existential crises and all that.

I suppose I should read this, then...although I just passed from my "early 20s" to my "mid 20s" earlier in the year on account of my age rounding up rather than down now.

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i liked the magus a lot more than the french lieutenant's woman but i do also appreciate fowles' difficulty with relating to femininity in general. or, the beauty of the magus is that i don't know if that's the message of the book or my personal brainpan drippings interfering with my reading of it, as everyone else i've loaned it to gets something else from it.

hell, i really like the collector as well but that's not existential crisis so much as bleak despair and horror.

but keep in mind that i really like celine.

but yeah i love verbal back and forth and clever wordings so Rushdie is basically pure gold. i know a lot of folks don't like him, and i don't really know why. (outside of those who don't like him for political reasons)

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JD's picture

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The Moor's Last Sigh was pretty "eh", though.

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When it comes to mid- 20's existential crises, I think Camus is an absolute must - especially "The Stranger" & "Exile and the Kingdom". And if you still wanna ride on then "The Plague" and "The Fall" will also do what's neccessary. They don't work so well once you start paying the mortgage so read them while you can.

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I read maybe a hundred pages of "The Satanic Verses" for um, not very bookish reasons. It was rumoured that the Gibreel Farishta character was based on Bollywood superstar Amitabh Bachchan & apparently Rushdie had the goods on Bachchan's many extra-marital affairs with famous actresses & other high-profile women. Actually there was none of that - that I could see anyway.
It also seemed to me that you would have to be a Koranic super-scholar to get all references to the point of taking umbrage at them. Clearly that was not the case with the angry mobs.

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It also seemed to me that you would have to be a Koranic super-scholar to get all references to the point of taking umbrage at them.

nah. it's fairly straightforward: the prophet most certainly did not consider letting a bunch of she-demons into islam under any circumstances.

it seems pretty simple to non-muslims, but the last temptation of christ was probably pretty unremarkable for most non-christians.

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dhex wrote:
It also seemed to me that you would have to be a Koranic super-scholar to get all references to the point of taking umbrage at them.

nah. it's fairly straightforward: the prophet most certainly did not consider letting a bunch of she-demons into islam under any circumstances.

Is that a fact, though? I thought that he did in fact -- if only momentarily -- let a bunch of she-demons into Islam -- hence the whole notion of the "Satanic verses". Are you suggesting that they are an apocryphal myth created by Rushdie (or someone else)?

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no, they're considered apocrypha by islam proper.

hence the outrage.

edit: this doesn't explain the outrage in america among secularist and related non-muslims, especially within academia, who basically blamed rushdie with varying degrees of "he knew this would happen" isms. it's actually pretty sick to read stuff from that era.

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Still, there is plenty of apocrypha about Christianity, but you don't see Christians throwing fatwas around at people who acknowledge it. I don't think the outrage is justified. If their religion is so strong, it should be able to withstand criticisms from detractors.

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Timothy's picture

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Still, there is plenty of apocrypha about Christianity, but you don't see Christians throwing fatwas around at people who acknowledge it.

Tell that to the Reformation.

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Timothy wrote:
Still, there is plenty of apocrypha about Christianity, but you don't see Christians throwing fatwas around at people who acknowledge it.

Tell that to the Reformation.

Close, but no hookah. The Protestant Reformation is more similar to the Sunni/Shia split. These fatwas are more akin to the Spanish Inquisition or the seventeenth-century witch hunts of England and northern Europe.

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Timothy's picture

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Don't rain on my misplaced historical jokes!

Fine

smacky wrote:
Still, there is plenty of apocrypha about Christianity, but you don't see Christians throwing fatwas around at people who acknowledge it.

Tell that to the Reformation Inquisition.

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Timothy,

Oh, I'm not defending the Christian tradition. I was just comparing modern-day Christianity -- which has seemingly progressed in this regard (well, outside of the Bushiltlerburton Jesus War crowd) -- to the seemingly less evolved and seemingly more common Muslim extremists.

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{Little Green Fascist} That's because those ragheds live in the 7th century and want to drag us all back to it with them, smacky! {/Little Green Fascist}

Yeah, though, modern Christianity, pace Dawkins, is pretty benign.

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Timothy wrote:
Don't rain on my misplaced historical jokes!

Fine

smacky wrote:
Still, there is plenty of apocrypha about Christianity, but you don't see Christians throwing fatwas around at people who acknowledge it.

Tell that to the Reformation Inquisition.

I didn't expect a reference to the Spanish Inquisition!

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GinSlinger wrote:
Close, but no hookah. The Protestant Reformation is more similar to the Sunni/Shia split. These fatwas are more akin to the Spanish Inquisition or the seventeenth-century witch hunts of England and northern Europe.

Interesting that you say that, because I was recently at a debate where a man made the point that, while many people say "the Muslim world needs its Reformation", in his view the Muslim world has already had its Reformation. The Muslim world is extremely fragmented, and every individual religious leader is free to make his own proclamations.

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Stevo Darkly wrote:
Timothy wrote:
Don't rain on my misplaced historical jokes!

Fine

smacky wrote:
Still, there is plenty of apocrypha about Christianity, but you don't see Christians throwing fatwas around at people who acknowledge it.

Tell that to the Reformation Inquisition.

I didn't expect a reference to the Spanish Inquisition!

NO ONE expects a reference to the Spanish Inquisition!

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Our chief weapon is surprise!

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