A thread to to discuss some of the few things to make atheist reconsider disbelief in god. Discuss your favorite beers ales, porter stouts. Make recommendations on weird local stuff that we might never find. Talk about your home brews and share your recipes.
I'll go first.
On the way to Jennifer's party, I stumbled upon Jefferson's Reserve Bourbon Barrel Stout by Blue Grass Brewing Company. The flavor and body were roughly similar to Mackeson's Triple Stout but slightly lighter. It has the usual stout hints of chocolate, but the first sip has distinct vanilla bourbon flavor that blends into the background over the course of the bottle
As a guy who likes good bourbon in addition to dark beers, I give the Bourbon Barrel stout a high recommendation, and only hope that I can find it again.


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The Jefferson's Reserve was very, very, very good. Where did you pick it up?
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I like most beers Stone Brewery produces. I had a 2005 Imperial Stout and 2005 Double Bastard last night as it happens. The Imperial Stout was so smooth that there was no alcohol taste at all; the only giveaway of the 11% abv was the inability to stand without swaying. It was a dramatic improvement over how it tasted when it was fresh in 2005.
A really good but underrated beer is Lost Coast Brewery's Great White. I don't usually like belgian/white ales, but Great White is just a good all-around beer.
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I'm a total fanboy for most of your Northwest brews. If you're in a heff mood the Widmer is really, really good for an American heff. I'd say it's the standard by which other American heff should be judged. It's no Paulaner or Erdinger, but it's good. I also really like their Drop Top, it's kinda sweet but with a nice hop flavor so it's really good on a casual afternoon of eating hotdogs. The others in Widmer's line-up are kind of hit and miss, and they discontinued Winternacht a number of years ago, which was probably some sort of crime. The Widberry is really great, if you like berry beers (in this case black raspberry), which I do even though that makes me some kind of hideous traitor.
Full Sail also makes a number of good beers, although they've declined in quality recently. I still favor the Amber and the Rip Curl as well as their winter seasonal.
I have to second AC on Stone brewery, the Arrogant Bastard and Double Bastard are really, really good.
I also very much like all three varieties of Chimay, although it's a little pricey for everyday consumption. Not exorbitant, but higher end of the price range for me anyway.
I've recently discovered that the guys at Dogfish Head do almost no wrong with an IPA (although I think the 60 isn't hoppy enough, the 90 minute is awesome and the 120 was like if God existed and made beer). I also liked the Raison D'etre a lot, although I thought Midas Touch left something to be desired, namely tasting like beer. It was too sweet, the flavor was nice, but there was no bite to it. If that's your bag you'll like it, if not save yourself $3 a bottle.
I also really liked Magic Hat when I was in Delaware a few years back, it had a bit of a soapy aftertaste (in the way that Guinness does) but was pretty good over all. I haven't exactly been able to find it recently. Also, there's a pumpkin ale that comes out every year around Halloween, it tastes like pie. Seriously, you should get it.
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The Raison D'Extra is also good. It's a stronger (18% abv) version of the Raison D'Etre. Their Punkin Ale is probably the best winter ale I've had, the Immort Ale tastes like what you'd expect tree bark to taste like, and despite being a fan of stouts, the World Wide Stout was like trying to drink heavyweight motor oil.
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Timothy,
Who makes the pumpkin ale?
This local beer called Nosferatu, made by Great Lakes Brewing Company, is decent. Yeah, I am basically judging it by its label. It is a cool label. I am horrible at describing beer...I can tale an ale from a stout, but I can't use flowery language to describe something as basic as alcohol, unless it has a particularly distinctive quality (like a fruit flavoring or something). I either like the taste or I don't...I think I can tell when there's a lot of wheat in a beer, too, because it is cloudy. But that's about it.
Also, since I don't have much else to contribute to the conversation, I will say that probably the best place to drink in Cleveland, as far as beer variety goes, is the 1899 Pub in Willoughby (a suburb of Cleveland). The bar's name is derived thusly: 18 varieties on tap, 99 varieties in bottles. Lots of microbrews, imports, limited editions, etc...a good place to go if you're ever in town.
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Smacky,
The Buffalo Bill Brewery in Hayward, CA. Although, oddly, sometimes it appears to be bottled in Portland, OR.
A friend's blog post about it.
And, IIRC, stout is actually a kind of ale being top fermented with ale yeast, generally. {/pedant}
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Randolph,
I found the Jefferson's Reserve at a nondescript little liquor store between my condo and Jennifer's place.
I like most the the Dogfish Head products. My current favorite is their Indian Brown Ale. It's smooth and silky with a malty bouquet, and has subtle hints of coffee, caramel and molasses throughout the brew without being excessively sweet. How's that for flowery?
I also enjoy anything produced by Brewery Ommegang, especially the Three Philospher's Quadrupel. The all come bottled like the Chimay ales, and I think I like the novelty of beer with a cork.
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Timothy, have you had the chance to partake of any of the Rio Blanco Brewery beers? I relish the Full Moon Rye Ale and the Rio Blanco Pale Ale, though Fireman's #4 is quite popular as well.
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Huh. Do you know where I can get this? I wouldn't mind trying it. I like pumpkin pie.
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Smacky: I've usually found it at the grocery around Halloween. Even here in Texas, so look around at your local beer place around then. Whole Foods maybe.
GinSlinger,
No, I haven't. I have meant to, but just haven't. I will have to get some. SOON! Maybe for Saturday.
{over-detailed aside} My friend Saul, who's house we usually play D&D* at is getting divorced and he's decided he can't afford to keep the house so we'll be playing at mine for a bit, I think. Might be nice to have some beer on hand, and I need to further expand my horizons {/over-detailed aside}
*Speaking of, were you still interested in playing? We're looking for another player as we seem to be down to four.
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I just had the Full Moon Rye the other night. That and Live Oak's Liberation and Big Bark (the Flying Saucer has all Texas pints at $2.50 on Sundays). Tasty stuff. Both are good breweries.
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I used to live right near the SA Saucer, but it's across town now. This is kind of unfortunate.
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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I recently experienced a beer epiphany near Prague. This website pointed me to a place just outside the furthest suburbs. It takes some time and effort to find, but it was so incredibly worth the trip. The beer was incredible, as well as the food (we both had great rabbit dishes, venison and other game available with advanced notice, I wish I'd known!). There was a light, an amber, and a dark, and they were each outstanding. For lack of more sophistimicated terminology, it was like there was a party in my mouth and only the most witty, attractive, and elegant people came and everyone danced wonderfully. Many different subtle sensations in every swallow, and perfectly conditioned. Nothing clubbing you over the head, no insanely high alcohol content so you feel pleasant instead of trashed. They sold 1.5L bottles to take home, and I took back the hotel a ginger beer, which they didn't have on tap that day. It was a very rootsy-earthy tasting experience, and delicious in its own way; I've never had anything like it in my life. I sincerely can't recommend this place enough.
U Fleku was good. I also recommend Bernard.
The 99.99% of the time I am not outside the states, I like Guinness on a cool night, Sierra Nevada on a hot day, and when I'm in Bend, OR each summer I go to the Deschutes Brewery and drink the ESB and whatever they have that's cask conditioned. I'm also an IPA fan, but I can't really name a favorite, perhaps because some of those have such high alcohol that after 2 I can't remember anything, including the name of the beer.
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Interestingly enough, that's what I just finished drinking. It was good, although perhaps a bit too sweet and thick to go well with food (I was having it with bucatini with tomato sauce (with fresh basil from my own garden!))
I tend to go for somewhat cleaner although still heavy beers. I've never been that big a fan of Magic Hat #9 - it's got a weird prune-like flavor to me. I'm fond of wheat beers, like Circus Boy or Blue Moon. In the stout world, I'm most fond of Mackeson's, although Dragon is also quite good. When I want something lighter, I like Brooklyn Brewery's Pennant Ale '55.
Here's a question for all of you: how do you pair beer with fish? Particularly with a very fishy fish. I find that hoppy beers clash unpleasantly with fish oils. What do you do?
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Try something light and citrusy, like Blue moon with a slice of orange. I guess it might also depend on the fish and the preparation, too. I find that fried cod and chips pairs wonderfully with Guinness.
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I've always liked Deschute's Mirrorpond and Cinder Cone Red. The Black Butte Porter is also pretty good. And you go to Bend every summer,
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No, I've never been there, but dead elvis apparently does.
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JD, depending on the preparation of the fish, you might try a Grand Cru. Also, if you are willing to try something a little different with your fish, try a Lambic (they allow natural lactic bacteria to enter the fermenters, actually they ferment in open containers, and each brrewery has a unique flavor as the result of unique bacteria adapting to each brewery, they never clean cobwebs or the rafters in those breweries, rather odd, but good), a little sour, and definitely crisp with no hops. In the same vein, there are things like Kirches (sp?) that might work as well.
A little lower on the hops note, you could try an Alt (literally "old" because it's a laer recipes that still uses the old ale yeasts and fermenting temperatures).
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Shit, the similar avatars got me confused. Will correct the post!
DOH!
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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Hmmm, policeman pointing weapon at head of lady liberty, old dude hanging out with small cute mammals... I hereby sentence you to work on this. ;)
Each summer since 2001 I've spent 3 weeks in Jacksonville (though I took this year off), and then 2 weeks in Bend. Normally, just my wife worked in Bend, but this year I'm also working, which is going to seriously cut into my beer drinking time.
I love Bend, but then again so does everyone else, so the usual problems arise from that. Just within a few years of first going there downtown was completely changed. Every year more of the cheap/reasonable places get shoved out for something more upscale :( But the mountains and the hiking are incredible.
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I didn't want to admit this but, I often get guns and animals confused. You should never take me hunting.
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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Oh, so you were 'sighting in' the deer, is that it?
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I kept wondering why my weapon was trying to run away....
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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Tonight I had a Dogfish Head Festina Peche. I did not like it. It did not taste like peach. It did not taste like anything. And apparently it is a malt beverage, and I am not really a big fan of those (although I do like Lambics).
I also had a Pyramid Apricot Weizen, which I do like a lot. It has a distinctive apricot flavour, with subtle hints of awesomeness, and finished off in a sumptuous satin silk lacy -- wait, where am I going with this...
And I also had a kind of crappy-tasting raspberry mojito.
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I admit, I'm a snob about most American beers. Partially because it seems like most American breweries hear the description "hoppy" and stop there. I'm a strong bitter taster, so it enhances my displeasure. But here is my stable of widely available beers:
Boddington's Pub Ale: this stretches the definition of "widely available" but it's usually available in at least one bar in town most places. So smooth and creamy. Must be enjoyed in an Imperial pint glass with a decent head.
Negra Modelo. Dark, spicy, smooth beer from Mexico. Modelo Especial is a good beer in summer.
Yuengling lager: America's oldest brewery. Smooth but tasty. Only available in the mid-Atlantic, Florida (I think), and some of the Northeast.
Smithwick's: The least objectionable of the Guinness stable. I used to be a fan of their range, but have gone off them.
Newcastle: Spicy brown reliable, if a bit syrupy on occasion. But then, it's British, nominally. Cheap.
Hmmm..."Jefferson's Reserve Bourbon Barrel Stout" sounds very enticing. Must look it up.
Everything else I like to drink is harder to come by, but I'll try to post a list at some point. Beer afficionados have heard of most of them, though.
Oh, and I loved U Flecku in Prague. I'm jealous of the other places. Pity Poland has little to speak of as regards beer. Though the Okocim you can get in this country has made a strong comeback after being super-crappy there and here in the late 90s.
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Okocim's being imported? Not to texas. :(
Actually, >:(, because I've found that most things you can't find at some of the specialty shops are unfindable because of the unredeemable dicks that infest the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission.
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Thanks for the beer-with-fish tips; I'll give some of them a try. I love my neighborhood; I can get almost anything here. I mean, you can find Hitachino Nest in many a random bodega, and Geary's, Abita, and Cooper are all fairly common.
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Since I somehow missed this thread on it's initial burst of activity I will resurrect it.
As a fan of darker, maltier beers I have to second both the Deschutes Black Butte Porter and Negra Modelo.
As for my favorites, they are all somewhat local. Alaskan Brewing out of Juneau puts out a Kolsch style beer called Alaskan Amber that is to die for. Not too sweet, not to hoppy, not too heavy. It is the perfect beer for pizza any time of the year.
They also put out a Smoked Porter using dark malt that has been smoked over alder wood at a local salmon processor. It is hard to find, in 22oz bottles only but when I do get my hands on it I become a very happy Kwix.
There is also a local microbrewery that bottles a knockout nut brown called "Kodiak Brown" and a "Full Curl Scotch Ale" that is very, very, drinkable.
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I've been home brewing for the past few years. I've had to pitch a few batches. But for the most part, if it's drinkable it's way better than anything Anheuser-Busch puts in a bottle. I've had two or three batches that were outstanding. I don't go for the extra-dark, extra-bitter brews much, but I still have fun. I did a fine pumpkin ale a couple of years ago, and a light beer that was surprisingly awesome.
seriously though, i think you're crazy on this. and you think i'm crazy. everybody wins! - dhex
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That's the lovely thing about something like Negra Modelo--very dark, but not at all bitter. Incredibly smooth and just a little spicy. Goes great with Mexican.
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When my former roomate and homebrew partner went on an Alaska cruise for his honeymoon, he snagged me a brewery glass for Alaska Amber. Nicely painted logo of a fishing boat in a fjord. He reported being very happy with that particular beer. Shall have to try it sometime.
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I recently dined and drank at Blue Star Brewery here in SA, and it was actually really great. I had the pale ale and this cask raspberry IPA. Both were pretty great, although I didn't really taste the raspberry in the latter. It was still good though.
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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Buffalo Bill stuff is often contracted out. Around ten years ago, it was made in New Ulm, MN, which is where the Schell brewery is.
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pbirmingham: AHH, I SEE! Oddly, New Ulm, MN is where some of my dad's family is from.
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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I didn't know there even was a New Ulm. I've been to the old Ulm... there's an awesomely big cathedral there.
And this sort of thing is pretty much all I can contribute in a beer thread. I don't drink the stuff... it's not for health reasons or moral concerns or anything like that; I've just never liked the taste.
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I had a really good beer last night, but I can't remember the name of it! It was either from Canada or Belgium. And it had a little devil as a logo. And it began with an M. Mmm...mm --it's an M-word, definitely an M-word...
Can anyone refer me to a comprehensive list of brews somewhere on the web where I can look this up?
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Try BeerAdvocate.com. Was it light or dark?
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Maudite! It's Maudite. I remembered. :)
http://www.unibroue.com/products/maudite.cfm
Maudite is a strong red ale. I would describe the aroma as spicy, while the beer is mahogany in color, tasting subtly of coriander, light spices and a hint of hops -- these are all my own original descriptions, I am not plagiarizing these from the website, I swears. ;)
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Thank you for the site tip, anyway, David. It may come in handy in the future.
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Oh yeah, the Unibroue stuff is tasty tasty goodness.
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"Extraordinary conditions may call for extraordinary remedies. But the argument necessarily stops short of an attempt to justify action which lies outside the sphere of constitutional authority. Extraordinary conditions do not create or enlarge constitutional powers." - Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes
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You'd think Unibroue would be an Italian brewery.
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In my experience, beer brewed in a country with Mediterranean coastline should always be avoided. Unless the nasal twang of formaldehyde is what you're looking for. No, just kidding it isn't as bad as that. Well not all of it. Except in France.
seriously though, i think you're crazy on this. and you think i'm crazy. everybody wins! - dhex
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France does actually have some good beers, but only in places where the local population is included Flemish or German ethnics. Fischer comes to mind.
I have yet to find any other Mediterranean country that has a decent beer. Let them stick to wines.
"But if it makes you feel better, I would also enjoy a world in which there are men, women, transsexuals, genderqueer folk, etc. who all enjoy pelican role-play." - JD
"Extraordinary conditions may call for extraordinary remedies. But the argument necessarily stops short of an attempt to justify action which lies outside the sphere of constitutional authority. Extraordinary conditions do not create or enlarge constitutional powers." - Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes
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Apparently, my joke wasn't all that clever.
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"But if it makes you feel better, I would also enjoy a world in which there are men, women, transsexuals, genderqueer folk, etc. who all enjoy pelican role-play." - JD
"Extraordinary conditions may call for extraordinary remedies. But the argument necessarily stops short of an attempt to justify action which lies outside the sphere of constitutional authority. Extraordinary conditions do not create or enlarge constitutional powers." - Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes
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And in related news, Michael Jackson has died. The one who brought joy and entertainment to many people's lives, not the pedo.
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I remember getting Michael Jackson's Beer Companion in 1994, and it really helped me to broaden my understanding of great beers and how to appreciate different beers. I certainly owe much of what I know about beers to having devoured that book as a young beer enthusiast. Probably 90% of what I know about beer (apart from actual experience drinking it, which is the most important way to learn about beer) came from either Michael Jackson and Charles Papazian.
Rest in Peace.
"But if it makes you feel better, I would also enjoy a world in which there are men, women, transsexuals, genderqueer folk, etc. who all enjoy pelican role-play." - JD
"Extraordinary conditions may call for extraordinary remedies. But the argument necessarily stops short of an attempt to justify action which lies outside the sphere of constitutional authority. Extraordinary conditions do not create or enlarge constitutional powers." - Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes
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While sitting in a steakhouse/sportsbar (Joe's on Sullivan - College Park, GA) after missing my flight out of Atlanta I discovered a not too bad ale.
There I was, pondering over the amazingness of a $10, 10oz NY Stripsteak (with side!)* when I spotted the beer list. Three popped right out as names I didn't know. Joe's House Beer (PBR for future reference), Sweetwater 420 Pale Ale (a stout was also listed but no longer on tap) and Red Brick Ale. I like the top fermented stuff so I had a couple of pints each of the Non-lager. Both were very, very nummy and locally brewed to boot. The Red Brick Ale is a classic brown and was a bit more to my liking than the Pale Ale but both were clear and bright in both bouquet and palate and neither one had a very strong hops aspect. So, if you happen to be in the Hotlanta metro area, give both of these a shot.
*Let me explain this amazement. I have not paid less than $20 for a cook to order chunk of whole beef since I moved to the great white north. It just doesn't exist here. $7/lb King Crab, sure, but steak is one of those "splurge only" items up here. The $20 price is for a TGIFridays pre-frozen, poorly cooked and over salted hunk of cow like flesh. To me, a ten dollar steak cooked to a perfect bloody rare is like manna from the skies and I'll be damned if I was gonna let it sneak by me uneaten. To add to my wonderment were the most perfectly cooked sweet potato fries I have ever eaten.
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Another bier I like is Éphémère by Unibroue. It's crisp, and it has a pretty label.
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Things I tried last weekend for the first time:
Rio Blanco Pale Ale
Rio Blanco Brown Ale
Both were good, and local, which is nice because they're A LOT cheaper than Dead Guy (it is up to like $13 a six pack, which is insane).
Whenever I catch so much as a glimpse of pr0n, I suddenly turn into a sex-crazed barbarian, slashing and clawing my way through whatever and whomever until I find something to put my weiner into. -- Taktix
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The Rio Blanco is good, Timothy, but as I've said before, go out on a limb and try the Full Moon Rye. It's twangy in a way you've never experienced before--in a good way. Also, if you can find it, the Fireman's is good as well.
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I came across this article today: $400 for a bottle of beer?
Sounds outrageous to me, but I recently found myself spending (accidentally, I neglected to look at the price) $13 for a bottle of Devotion blond ale from Lost Abbey. It was really, really good though, shame about the price. Later I picked up a $10 bottle of the "Lost and Found Abbey Ale"; It looked like such a bargain after $13 ;)
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I like Unibroue products a lot. They make the Trader Joe's belgian-style ale that always seems to sell out before I can get any.
I like that label -- has a Maxfield Parrish look to it.
My latest two tasted are from New Glarus: their Road Slush oatmeal stout, and the Organic Revolution. The stout was great, the organic ale merely good. I'm sad to have apparently missed their Imperial Weizen.
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Re: The wonder of hops and yeast and barley
I had a couple glasses of Gaffel Koelsch this past weekend. A good summer beer - light in body, moderate in alcohol (5%, IIRC), with a clean, slightly minerally flavor.
Re: The wonder of hops and yeast and barley
I recently tried Harpoon Brewery's UFO Raspberry Hefeweizen. Not too shabby. Tangy.
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Re: The wonder of hops and yeast and barley
The Reisdorf Koelsch is my favorite of the various Koelsch beers. There's a bar on the Lower East that serves it. It made me very happy.
Sadly, no one serves it in the traditional 0.2/0.3 L "test tubes", so it goes flat in the steins and pint glasses they're served in.
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Re: The wonder of hops and yeast and barley
I don't know if I mentioned, but I'm growing hops.
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OOOHHHH!!!!!
I've been wanting to grow my own hops all summer. Unfortunately, no one seems to have them in stock now, and the best time to plant them has passed. So I'm chalking it up to a project to do next spring.
But in the meantime, I need to find out what kind of hops are the best ones to grow in a semi-arid climate.
Any tips would be appreciated.
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Re: The wonder of hops and yeast and barley
I gotta think about that one. The real problem is that hops don't like "arid" too well; you're gonna have to irrigate 'em, a soaker hose being the best vehicle for that sort of thing.
Other than that, I think unless it's hellishly hot there (you're in CO, right?) you shouldn't have too much trouble with most varieties. There are posters in the Northern Brewer forums growing hops in Arizona, of all places, and having good success.
You can look here for hop gardening information, and I'd also check the Northern Brewer forums for threads on hop gardening.
Here are the latest photos of my hops (nearly a month old now.) I'm getting cones from four plants, although only the Cascade and Willamette look to be producing a significant amount.
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Is there anything to the processing? Do you have to dry them before use, or can you just throw 'em in a hop sock and drop 'em in the wort?
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Re: The wonder of hops and yeast and barley
Usually they're dried, either air-dried or at low heat. I've heard (but don't know myself, this being my first year as a hop rancher) that "wet" hops lend strong grassy notes to beer.
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Ah, so one of Alton Brown's Herbal Preservation contraptions would probably do the trick.
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Yeah, there are a lot of folks on the forums who mentioned that. Some folks just spread 'em out on screens, others put 'em in the oven at low heat, and some crazy people build their own oasts.
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Here Ye! Here Ye!
I have collected all the necessary supplies. Next Sunday, October 26th I will set fire to cauldron and brew up another batch of my Pumpkin Ale.
EDIT:
Double Double
Toil and Trouble
Fire Burn
And Cauldron Bubble
Eye of Newt
Wool of Bat
Tounge of Toad
And Stuff Like That
seriously though, i think you're crazy on this. and you think i'm crazy. everybody wins! - dhex
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Well, I hope it is successful as the last batch!
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Re: The wonder of hops and yeast and barley
So we can assume that you left out the Liver of blaspheming Jew and the bits about the finger of a birth-strangled babe?
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Re: The wonder of hops and yeast and barley
Aborted babies and jooz are hard to find here in Mid Missouri. I figure I'll just double up on the cinnamon and ginger.
seriously though, i think you're crazy on this. and you think i'm crazy. everybody wins! - dhex
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Although Joo liver contributes a hint of hoppy bitterness that serves as a nice counterpart to the sweetness of the other ingredients.
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Re: The wonder of hops and yeast and barley
The potion is brewed, the incantation spake. All that's left is to wait for the light of the full moon. Then we can drink it and test how potent the magic.
I got called into work right in the middle of brewing. Fortunately my familiar was on hand to watch the cauldron. I doubled the hops on this batch. Going into the fermentor it has a big bitter kick. Hope it doesn't overwhelm the pumpkin.
seriously though, i think you're crazy on this. and you think i'm crazy. everybody wins! - dhex